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#49 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 06, 2008 (2:22 pm)
Yes old Hydros were rugged. Many of them are still working without rebuilds.
Really? Ford used a GM product? I never knew that. Any info on that somewhere?
#50 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright)
Oct 06, 2008 (2:34 pm)
Here's one source, from the "Old Car Manual Project"...
"updated November 30, 2002
Hydramatic Transmission Manual for the 1949-1950 Lincoln
Hydramatic transmissions (built by General Motors) were used for years in Lincoln cars. This rare factory service manual covers the Hydramatics used in the classic '49 and '50 Lincoln cars.
Contributed by Mike Schmitt.
Fluid Service, Manual Linkage
Band Adjustments (External)
Valve Control Assembly - Disassembly
Front and Rear Servos
Reverse Anchor, Bracket Assembly & Shims Remove, Install
#51 of 92 Hydramatic Lincoln ((Mr_Shiftright)
Oct 06, 2008 (2:40 pm)
"Starting in 1948 Hydramatic became optional for Pontiacs, although Buick and Chevrolet chose to develop their own automatic transmissions. One million Hydramatics had been sold by 1949. In the early 1950s various manufacturers that did not have the resources to develop an automatic transmission bought Hydra-Matics from GM. Users included:
In 1952 Rolls-Royce acquired a license to produce the Hydra-Matic under license for Rolls-Royce and Bentley automobiles. It continued production through 1967..."
#52 of 92 Re: Hydramatic Lincoln ((Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 06, 2008 (2:49 pm)
I knew about all the others but not Lincoln. Surprising!
The Rolls cast their own case for the Hydramatic. Probably was the best part of the car, next to the upholstery.
#53 of 92 Taillights - '49 & '50 vs. '51
Oct 09, 2008 (9:04 am)
I must confess to liking the taillights on the '49 & '50 Lincoln Cosmos MUCH more than the '51. Something about that set-in (almost frenched) circular taillight with the divider into threes that just looks too cool for words, especially when combined with the rounded rear fender.
#54 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque]
Oct 11, 2008 (1:18 pm)
Not to be too picky but Powerglides were available in 1950 Chevrolets.
Ford followed up the next year with it's Fordomatic.
#55 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque] (isellhondas)
Oct 13, 2008 (7:22 am)
Ahh, you're right, isell, and thanks for clarifying that.
In comparing Powerglide and Fordomatic, Fordomatic was the more efficient and versatile of the two transmissions, although if you left the gear lever in "Drive" the car started in second gear, thereby utilizing only two of its three gears. You had to place the selector in "Low" to start out in first. I believe the early Powerslides, whoops Powerglides, were similar to the Dynaflows, in that they started in the second of two gears, if you placed the selector in "Drive." You engaged first by putting the selector in "Low." Because off-the-line acceleration was painfully slow in Drive, Chevy changed it (in '53 or '55) so that the car started in first regardless of whether the selector was in Drive or Low. Ford didn't make that change, apparently feeling it wasn't necessary, since their automatic used two gears in normal every day driving, just like Chevy's. Another difference was that Chevy's first gear was lower than Ford's second gear, so under normal use Chevys were a little more responsive off the line, with comparable engines.
Now when it came to durability, Powerglide was more rugged than Fordomatic. That's not to say that Fordomatics were problematic for the average owner, but Powerglides rarely failed.
#56 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque] (isellhondas) [hpmctorque]
Oct 13, 2008 (8:52 am)
I agree with you.
In 1953, the Powerglides started shifting by themselves.
Plymouth didn't get a "real" automatic until, I think 1954.
Chrysler messed around with Fluid Drive and Hy Drives.
#57 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque] (isellhondas) [hp
Oct 13, 2008 (12:37 pm)
Yeah, it was 1954 when the Chrysler Powerflite was finally offered across the board. I think it actually came out in mid-year 1953, but was only offered in Chryslers and Imperials. I read somewhere that Chevrolet was selling 1/3 of its cars with Powerglides by 1950 or 1951, so the popularity of the automatic transmission caught on fast.
How would a Powerflite compare to a Powerglide or FordoMatic? Wasn't the FordoMatic a 2-speed? One of my officemates recently bought a '62 Ford Galaxie 4-door, and he said it had a 2-speed, and called it "Fordomatic".
#58 of 92 Re: Why a 1949-1950 Lincoln? (andre1969)
Oct 13, 2008 (7:01 pm)
Powerflite and Powerglide (from '53 on) performed similarly. Both were rugged and low maintenance, but were hampered by having only two gears, so that represented a compromise.
Ford introduced a two speed automatic, similar to Powerflte and Powerglide, well after they offered the original three speed unit, but I don't know off hand just when that was. Maybe it was 1959, when they introduced the 1960 Falcon. The Falcon automatic was a two speed unit. That transmission was also featured in the Mercury Comet and, I believe, the Ford Fairlane and Mercury Meteor, or at least the smaller engine versions of those intermediates. They continued to make the three speed unit (Cruisomatic?) available, however, for a few or several years. The two speed was an additional Ford transmission.
Man, I hope I don't offend anyone, but it occurred to me that we must all be a bunch of certified nuts, living in the distant past, agonizing over such trivia. Oh well, I suppose it's no different than recalling old baseball scores and related details. At least it's legal and harmless.