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#23 of 83 New Prius; Dead Battery by freerangemike Apr 20, 2007 (11:33 am)
I had to jump my wife's 2007 Prius this morning. The car has about 400 miles on it, is 1 month old, and was driven yesterday. The car was completely dead. Unfortunately, I was not there when she turned the car off and exited yesterday. Nor was I there when she got to the car this morning. Here is what she reports: 1. She parked, hit the P button and the Power button. She unplugged her iPod from the power adapter but left the adapter itself in the 12V outlet. (Simple adaptor with no apparant capacitors or power draw.) 2. She exited the car, and pushed the exterior lock button on the door. Her key was not left in the car, so it could not have been left inadvertantly running all night. 3. When she got to the car this morning, about 16 hours later, the car was unlocked. No interior lights came on. Nothing happened when she hit the power button. She was unable to start the car using the manual key. 4. There was no visible damage to the car (other than below). Her iPod was still in the center console. 5. Last week, she was hit on the driver's side by a guy turning left from a side street. We are still awaiting the insurance resolution to get the damage repaired.   My only theories here are: 1. Mechanical failure within electrical system: I haven't seen any other reports of this problem on Priuses, except when they have been left idle for a couple weeks. 2. The Alarm was going off all night, unbeknownst to us. 3. The damage to the door caused some short circuit which is draining the battery, perhaps by repeatedly locking and unlocking the door.   Any ideas? Replies to this message: carlstraub (Apr 20, 2007 2:39 pm) pathstar1 (Apr 21, 2007 9:13 am) stevegold (Apr 21, 2007 9:37 am)
#24 of 83 Re: New Prius; Dead Battery [freerangemike] by carlstraub Apr 20, 2007 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: freerangemike (Apr 20, 2007 11:33 am) Hi, Happened to me last week. When I closed windows for the evening I'm sure I did not push the PWR button the last time to turn off the system. The "smartkey" outsmarted me. In our previous Prius we had to put fob in slot. BTW you can connect a battery charger to the spots. Mine was Ok in 15 minutes. Of course your damage may be the cause. Carl
#25 of 83 Re: New Prius; Dead Battery [freerangemike] by pathstar1 Apr 21, 2007 (9:13 am)
Replying to: freerangemike (Apr 20, 2007 11:33 am) It's possible an interior light was on. That will drain the 12V battery. This makes it impossible to start without "boosting" it. Perhaps the side damage caused the door switch to keep the light on? Replies to this message: stevegold (Apr 21, 2007 9:37 am)
#26 of 83 Re: New Prius; Dead Battery [pathstar1] by stevegold Apr 21, 2007 (9:37 am)
Replying to: pathstar1 (Apr 21, 2007 9:13 am) It happened to me once when my 2004 was new. I jumped the small battery from the special under hood connections and it has worked fine ever since. I did buy a small battery, enough to start the computer, made the cigarette lighter outlet "always on" so it would power the computer, but have never had to use it for that purpose.
#27 of 83 Re: AIR CONDITIONING ISSUES - 05 PRIUS [kadensgram] by anna_g87 Apr 25, 2007 (5:55 pm)
Replying to: kadensgram (Apr 12, 2007 11:28 am) i am having a/c issues as well. mine is a 2/05 prius bought brand new. i love the car for the mileage i get but recently it will cost me $$ for repairs. i turn on the a/c, blower works but no cold air. i brought it in at a toyota dealership to get diagnosed and according to the tech they found a small hole in the condensor and the whole a/c unit, condensor and receiver dryer needs to be replaced at a cost of $1300 ... i bought additional warranty but they don't consider that to be covered. now it's an out of pocket expense ... but how did that HOLE get there? it took a while for them to diagnose the problem, they had to place a DYE in the system to see where fluid was leaking ... it's a really small hole according to the tech. i'd have to trust them on this since i have no clue about cars. but how can i get the warranty to cover this? ... it's only 2 years old. i've had 3 cars before the prius and i've never had to replace the a/c condensor unit in any of my previous cars. Replies to this message: kadensgram (Apr 26, 2007 7:39 pm)
#28 of 83 Re: AIR CONDITIONING ISSUES - 05 PRIUS [anna_g87] by kadensgram Apr 26, 2007 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: anna_g87 (Apr 25, 2007 5:55 pm) Perhaps this is being seen to warrenty as "Road damage" in otherwords the problem is not due to the failure of a part. Perhaps a rock or other item flew up from the road and made this minute hole. Look at your warrenty, especially the small print and see if indeed it is excluded. If you don't trust them you could take it to a private air conditioning business that someone you know highly reccomends and get a diagnosses and see if thats what they find, true it will cost to diagnose but it is a thought. Quite honestly I don't believe they will find my problem because they take it apart put it back together and then it works...they can't fix it because they can't find a broken part to replace they have had it 3 times so far. They don't charge me however my car was purchased to go between California and Arizona and its not going to do me anygood when i'm in Arizona and its 112 outside. perhaps you can go to the official"Toyota Web site and inquire there from the corporation. If I get mine fixed I will post it. I will check to see if you post additionally also, good luck.
#29 of 83 2004 Prius 12-V Auxilliary Battery Dies Unexpectedly by steve1c Apr 27, 2007 (1:21 pm)
It recently cost me over $300 to take care of the 12V battery dying suddenly with no dashboard indications of impending doom. The cost was about $100 for the tow to the dealer, and $215 for the battery and labor. Not a warranty item (a 2004 Prius w/60K miles, although I do have an extended warranty to 100K miles and 5 years).   We had just pulled into the parking lot of a local (Vegas) nursery, and the dash displays went stupid when I attempted to shut off the car. Nothing worked, and there was a bad/ strong (hydrogen sulphide like) smell in the car. Can't open the back hatch when the 12V system is dead, so it was difficult to get to the battery, buried in the back end. It was also hard to move the car onto the tow truck since the system has to be powered up to shift into neutral. We finally used the under-hood jump point to bring up the computers and switch into neutral. It took about 3-4 tries. The dealer confirmed the 12V battery had gone bad, and they replaced it. Everything works fine now. Just not happy about the cost, and I wonder what would have happened on the open (out in the desert) road or in traffic.   Here are what I see as design deficiencies: 1) 12V battery location in the passenger compartment, with potential for noxious fume generation and lack of ventilation; 2) lack of a remote, mechanical release for the hatch; 3) difficulty in placing the car in neutral should the 12V battery be disabled, or at least, lack of driver manual guidance for this situation; and 4) little or no warning that the 12V battery was going south. (In most conventional cars, we all know the symptoms: slow cranking, especially when cold; lights dimming). Had Nothing on the dash by way of warning.   Toyota Customer Service was pleasant, but basically read me the standard responses, and would not allow me to talk with technical/engineering personnel. Said they would pass my concerns along. Offered reimbursement (which I passed on) to "re-establish my lost confidence in the car." (I had expressed the concern about this happening on the open road or in Las Vegas traffic. Paying for the repair had nothing to do with them addressing the technical issues and my shaken sense of confidence.) I am really curious whether other owners have had the same thing happen... Replies to this message: pathstar1 (Apr 28, 2007 6:48 am) steve1c (May 02, 2007 9:04 pm) pathstar1 (May 03, 2007 5:53 am) evgnat (Apr 30, 2007 2:56 pm)
#30 of 83 Re: 2004 Prius 12-V Auxilliary Battery Dies Unexpectedly [steve1c] by pathstar1 Apr 28, 2007 (6:48 am)
Replying to: steve1c (Apr 27, 2007 1:21 pm) Your points are well taken, but I hope my clarifications are applicable. 1. The 12V auxiliary battery is ventilated to the outside (hose connected to it). It is true if it bursts this would be bypassed, but that is not very likely. The battery is similar to a motorcycle battery in that it has a vent tube. 2. Absolutely, a mechanical hatch release, even on the inside, would be nice (I thought I read it could be opened from the inside but perhaps not). 3. The inability to put the car in neutral has been "complained of" before. One fellow had the car in a small garage when the battery died. Tow truck operator put the front wheels on dollies to get it out. He could have just connected a small battery to the under hood "boost" point. 4. Maybe time to purchase a "Scangauge". It is an OBDII reader that will display up to four readouts in real time (all the time) out of about 18 choices. One is battery voltage. It sticks on the dash or wherever using velcro. Very handy. It can also read codes, reset codes, and act as a "trip meter". It can also be used in any vehicle 1996 or later (standard OBDII port).   Looks like you got a good price on the battery anyway. Some owners were charged over $300 to have it replaced. As for the towing cost, a AAA membership saved me those costs for towing. Paid for a couple years membership.   I'm surprised it failed so soon. Does the sun shine on the passenger side of your car when it's parked at home or work? Heat is very hard on lead-acid batteries.   A few owners have purchased one of those portable "boost" devices. They are portable 12V batteries, and they double as 115VAC power providers, some even have tire pumps built in. Not too expensive (under $100), at Autozone or Pepboys, I think I read. Replies to this message: steve1c (May 02, 2007 9:04 pm) pathstar1 (May 03, 2007 5:53 am)
#31 of 83 Re: 2004 Prius 12-V Auxilliary Battery Dies Unexpectedly [steve1c] by evgnat Apr 30, 2007 (2:56 pm)
Replying to: steve1c (Apr 27, 2007 1:21 pm) My 12V battery on 2004 Prius turned out to have a bad cell (as tested by the dealer service) and I had to replace it today. It is not readily available at the dealers and there was a few weeks wait at a few dealers to get it. It looks like Toyota has changed the battery model number at least twice in last few years.   Looking back, I have had the battery die on me twice in last two years but I had blamed it on something not turned off. Now I think it was an early warning for a bad battery. Recently it died two times in two weeks and also gave a weak display some times while turning on, after which I took it to a dealer. Alas, I found out out that I had exceeded 3yr/30K warranty on the battery by two weeks.   Word to the wise: get your battery checked out if it has died early in its life and unexpectedly on you.
#32 of 83 Re: 2004 Prius 12-V Auxilliary Battery Dies Unexpectedly [pathstar1] by steve1c May 02, 2007 (9:04 pm)
Replying to: pathstar1 (Apr 28, 2007 6:48 am) Well, you won't convince the tow truck operator that the battery was vented outside, because he complained about the fumes inside being bad, as he struggled to find that latch release.   We finally did find the mechanical release for the hatch. It is not obvious...even after looking at the manual. You have to put the rear seats down, remove the carpet and pan, pull open a small access on the hatch, and then feel around with your fingers for a small lever that will release the hatch.   Thanks for the lead on the scanguage. I'll check it out.   The car is normally garaged, except when I'm at work. Then it does sit in the desert sun. Still, I've had other cars out here that had batteries last 4-5 years no problem. And it never cost more than $60-70 to put in a new one myself.   I would still like to hear if anyone has experienced or heard of a Prius going dead while it's in motion. Replies to this message: pathstar1 (May 03, 2007 5:53 am)

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