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#18 of 25 Re: Break in period [stiller] by shipo Jan 02, 2008 (8:09 am)
Replying to: stiller (Jan 02, 2008 7:54 am) Sorry, your information seems to be biased and highly suspect. Like it or not, you do not know more about your engine than the engineers that designed and built it.   A few points for break-in purposes:  - It is important to keep the RPMs below the threshold set by Honda and keep the overall load on the engine low as well.  - There is such a thing as "Break-In" oil in the case of Honda as the factory fill contains more additives than conventional oil  - "Heat and only heat will break in your new engine properly" - Preposterous statement  - "Baby it and you will have an oil eating poor MPG ride for life" - That statement is even sillier than the one you made before it   Please, before you post more of such bilge, get some education on the issue at hand. I'd hate for a new member to read the things that you've posted and screw up their perfectly good new car.   Best Regards, Shipo
#19 of 25 Re: Break in period [stiller] by drmbb Jan 02, 2008 (8:40 am)
Replying to: stiller (Jan 02, 2008 7:54 am) New Honda's ship with a very high moly (Molybdenum Disulfide) content oil. The moly reacts with the metal in a hot engine to form a protective coating over all contact surfaces. Honda recommends leaving the factory oil in until the first oil change as specified in the owners manual service schedule (which for the civic, is to follow the oil life indicator on the dash).
#20 of 25 Break in by stiller Jan 03, 2008 (8:30 am)
Jeese Owwww Shipo.........no reason to jump down some throat just because they don't have the same opinion as you. I must be stupid with only 3 posts, right? You must be the source of knoweledge with 6994 posts, right?   Look, heat and only heat will let your engine smooth out high friction points over the rpm range. How you going to make the heat with out putting some good load on the engine?   The high moly content of the oil Honda puts in their new cars is nothing new. High moly oils have been a point of controversy in engines since the beginning. Mobile makes the factory oil for Honda to use, and they do NOT make a "break in" oil for ANY car. Honda will try to say a "special break in additive" has been added. This statement your told is either wrong OR scary. What, like they are going to add something to your oil that increases friction and break in. NO, they don't. This would be detrimental to the engine for sure. Honda is as good as anybody elce out there selling "snake oil" claims and products, and if there is some special something in their oil that clings to the engine parts and protects........even more reason to flush that stuff out ASAP (along with all the other metal fines and almost microscopic metal dust that can cause premature wear.   I love my new Honda, but this does'nt mean I believe the host of WOWS they try to lay on you in the dealership. I will break this car in the same as all of my other new rigs, hard and fast. I will then report from time to time the true MPG and oil consumption to show no harm in a fast break in.   To date, I have broken in 12 snowmobiles, 2 motorcycles, 3 cars, 2 trucks, all new. I have never had a problem one with any of them and my milage has been beter than average for all but the 2004 Subaru, it got average Suby milage. Along with breaking in all these rigs new, I filtered the first oil drain through from all, except snowmobiles, through silk screen and held a bright light to the remains. What I have seen is tiny shiny goodies in the remains that have no reason staying in the engine.   I'm not telling someone to go out and put the pedal all the way down and watch the rpms go to redline. But finding a good hill and working the 2500-4500 rpm range will be a favor for the longevity of the engine, your future mpg's, and oil consumption.   If you baby your new engine, it will be a dog for life, get poor mpg's AND burn more than normal oil......   No I don't have almost 7000 posts. But I'm not new to engines or false claims by auto manufactures.   Paul Replies to this message: drmbb (Jan 03, 2008 10:53 am) shipo (Jan 03, 2008 11:04 am)
#21 of 25 Re: Break in [stiller] by drmbb Jan 03, 2008 (10:53 am)
Replying to: stiller (Jan 03, 2008 8:30 am) meh, to each his own. For what it's worth, I've also broken in my share of new autos, and a couple of pickups, and I've done it pretty much the complete opposite of you. I've always got better then EPA rated mileage on my vehicles, and they've all lasted for years and in excess of 100K miles before I've sold or traded them.   To be quite honest, I tend to think the whole "break in" issue is largely a myth. Modern car engines are built to such tight tolerances that any break in happens within the time it is driven out of the factory, onto a truck/train/ship and then driven off onto a dealers lot. Those few miles are likely all it takes to seat and wear things. Many people pay no attention whatsoever to the manufacturers break in recommendations, or anyone else's, and their cars seem to last as long as anyone's and run as well as anyone's.   So, you break yours in "hard and fast" and I'll keep babying my new vehicles for the first 500-1000 miles or so. This debate has been going on for years, and will continue to go on, and their is no definitive way to end it.
#22 of 25 Re: Break in [stiller] by shipo Jan 03, 2008 (11:04 am)
Replying to: stiller (Jan 03, 2008 8:30 am) Dude, your arrogance is not going to win many friends or convince many people of anything other than the fact that you are fond of your own opinion.   Like it or not, you do now know more than the engineers who designed and built your engine. Like it or not, Honda DOES use various pastes and assembly lubes while building their engines, and those pastes and lubes are specifically designed to compliment the oil that they put in the crank case to aid in the breaking in of the engine.   As for the insignificant amount of anecdotal evidence you've provided to support your arguments, completely and absolutely irrelevant. Nineteen engines? You've got to be kidding, the fine engineers at Honda have designed, built, run to destruction, analyzed, redesigned, rebuilt and re-run to destruction literally thousands of engines over the years and I'm quite happy to say, they don't believe your opinion over the hard evidence that they have in their possession.   As for your premise of "heat and only heat", ummm, who told you to say that? True, heat is one part of various forces that help an engine properly break in, but to say that it is the only one is simply naive.   Regarding me and my experience, I could care less if I have a large number of posts and you have virtually none, that said, what I do care about is the thirty plus years I have of wrenching on engines and seeing first hand the cause and effect of various types of treatment. FWIW, I always break my engines in per the manufacturers recommendations, although I do do it at the harder driven end of that allowable spectrum. While it is no more relevant than your "proofs", I have yet to have a single engine that was low on power, got poor fuel economy and burned oil. Not one.   Case in point, one of my current cars, a car I bought new during the summer of 1998 by the way, now has a little over 150,000 miles on the clock, it is still returning better fuel economy than even the optimistic EPA estimates of that era, it still has at least as much power as it did when it was new, and it still uses only about a quart of oil every 7,500 miles, just as it should. That car is no exception as all of my cars have returned similar results.
#23 of 25 08 civic rattling by kelli5 Jul 21, 2008 (7:18 pm)
so i just bought my new 08 civic 3 weeks ago and the rattling is getting on my nerves. i did have some rattling in my old car, but i thought it was from it being old... i'm taking my new car in to the dealership next week... i think part of the noise/rattling is coming from 1 of the windows?? it's not a serious concern, but it is very annoying and i guess you can say disappointing because it IS a honda... didn't expect that. my boyfriend has a 05 corolla and has even more rattling coming from the dash/ac vents, which i completely understand i suppose because both the corolla and the civic are inexpensive cars. you get what you pay for... but my window??? that's disappointing. anyone else experience the same thing? Replies to this message: ricetick (Sep 08, 2008 6:41 pm) ricetick (Sep 08, 2008 6:42 pm)
#24 of 25 Re: 08 civic rattling [kelli5] by ricetick Sep 08, 2008 (6:41 pm)
Replying to: kelli5 (Jul 21, 2008 7:18 pm) I am experiencing rattling too Do you have any update? I hope it is nothing serious I just got my car 3 weeks ago....
#25 of 25 Re: 08 civic rattling [kelli5] by ricetick Sep 08, 2008 (6:42 pm)
Replying to: kelli5 (Jul 21, 2008 7:18 pm) I am experiencing rattling too Do you have any update? I hope it is nothing serious I just got my car 3 weeks ago....

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