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Re: XC70: Old or New Version? [qbrozen] by jim314
Oct 21, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Oct 21, 2008 7:10 am)

The fix for a less than smooth idling engine is to use soft engine mounts which don't last as long as stiffer ones. I think Volvo does that on its 5-cyl engines. These are my suppositions based on the fact that both on our '96 850 wagon and '04 V70 the upper 'twist control' mount, on top, at the firewall, had to be replaced after 4 years of easy use. These are cheap and easy to replace, but this indicates that steps had to be taken to control vibration.
 
I went with aftermarket polyurethane inserts as replacements. The poly mount in the '96 worked great, but the one I got for the '04 V70 (and could install myself) has not been satisfactory. There is now too much vibration in the passenger compartment and especially in the steering wheel; I live with it and grumble. When the lower front twist control mount is ready for replacement I may just get OE. But then maybe a stiffer lower one will cancel out the stiff upper one?
 
But I wonder if the main engine mounts on the bottom have a shorter lifetime than desirable. Are they spec'ed on the soft side to isolate vibration? These "hydraulic mounts" will cost a bundle to replace, and the job is beyond my skills. One independent Volvo shop told me that these mounts do collapse over time and eventually the spacing between the engine and the body structural members decreases to an unacceptable amount. They said that those on my '04 V70 were OK though.
 
It's possible that the Volvo models powered by the si6 will have more durable engine mounts.
 
With an automatic tranny the much ballyhooed flat engine torque curve doesn't produce any significant advange to the driver. With an automatic you just stomp on the accelerator to suddenly accelerate. With a manual tranny there is an advantage to the flat torque curve made possible by forced induction (turbo or supercharging).
 
If you are in a relatively high gear and suddenly need to accelerate, having engine torque available at low rpms allows the driver to forego downshifting if there's not enough time.
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Re: XC70: Old or New Version? [qbrozen] by nibs
Oct 21, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Oct 21, 2008 7:10 am)

The problem with my 08 XC70 is that I have to put my foot into it to get the get up and go out of the car. To tell you the truth I did try to purchase a new 07 model but the dealer was set on gouging too much out of me for it.
 
My 02 XC70 did not have a vibration problem. Ergonomically I find it to better "inside" than the 08 model. Some of you may notice the inside layout of the new XC60. It is interesting that Volvo has turned the console slightly towards the driver, which imo is a much more attractive design, not to mention easier to use.
 
It is great to see all the comments regardless of your opinion.
 
No word from Volvo yet regarding the problems with my car. I think they sprayed the rear hatch with lubricant to keep it from squeaking so much.
 
Cheers.
#80 of 97
Re: XC70: Old or New Version? [jim314] by blckislandguy
Oct 21, 2008 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: jim314 (Oct 21, 2008 8:45 am)

Jim,
 
We bought a bunch of inserts and even a cross engine bay support bracket from IPD and installed them with no noticeable effect. We however didn't test them scientifically and don't tow with it. As people who over-maintain vehicles, we do think we did the right thing for the '01 XC70 and the upgrades weren't a lot of money.
 
Regarding maintenance. I always go the Mobil1, more frequent oil change, frequent car detail, impeccable maintenance route. I figure that if we get just one more year out of a vehicle we will have $aved a bundle on depreciation and sales tax. Food for thought: we bought a new 1987 Ford XLT Supercab with every option possible, 22 years ago. It has been a pleasure to drive ever since on weekends. We have gotten every dime out of the 18K we paid for it. Had we bought new stripper pickups without AC. power locks, windows, cloth seats, etc. we would have dumped them after 3 or so years and paid perhaps 70K over the last 22 years.
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Re: XC70: Old or New Version? [blckislandguy] by jim314
Oct 21, 2008 (8:35 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Oct 21, 2008 6:37 pm)

There may be something else causing the vibration in my 04 V70. But when I put the insert in the upper twist control mount, I tightened it up and noticed more vibration right away. Then I loosened the nut/bolt in the insert and as I recall the vibration disappeared, but I later retightened the nut because I thought it was supposed to be tight and just accepted the vibration. An independent Volvo shop told me the nut/bolt was supposed to be tight. The OE was tight. It has been over a year since then and I have not reviewed the situation.
 
Maybe I am exaggerating the amount of vibration. Some reviews of some of these aftermarket poly inserts reported vibration with the auto tranny in drive at idle and, well, the power of suggestion. . . In the 04 V70 the upper twist control mount ultimately connects to the strut tower bar which is itself atached through rubber bushings. I don't see how vibration could be transmitted through all this. But from its construction I recall that the OE rubber mount was asymmetric -- stiffer in one direction and softer at 90 deg. The poly mounts are radially symmetric.
 
I do know that there is a very considerable difference in steering wheel engine vibration between my '04 V70 and my wife's '07 XC90 3.2 inline 6.
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Re: XC70: Old or New Version? [nibs] by nibs
Oct 30, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: nibs (Oct 21, 2008 2:20 pm)

Took a 2009 XC70 T6 with 4C chassis out for a test. The T6 is imo a much better feeling car. There is competent output from the turbo charged motor and the 4C enhances the driver/road feel. Not only that, but I didn't hear the constant creaking I hear in my 08 model.
 
Does anyone know if dealerships (including Volvo) sell repaired crash tested or damaged vehicles as new? If so how do I find out if my car was damaged prior to delivery?
 
As for my situation with Volvo, as expected they want to do the very least and will not admit failure of the car.
#83 of 97
Re: Volvo 08 XC70 update [nibs] by bodble2
Nov 08, 2008 (1:20 am)
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Replying to: nibs (Sep 23, 2008 8:43 am)

Have you looked into the CAMVAP (Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Process) program? It is a mediation/arbitration process administered by the provincial BBB. It costs you nothing other than your time, but it can be an effective way to deal with the manufacturer if you feel that you're stuck with a lemon and the manufacturer is stone-walling you. I used it some years back against Honda, and the arbitrator ruled in my favour and Honda was forced to buy back my Prelude at full price.
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Re: Volvo 08 XC70 update [bodble2] by nibs
Nov 11, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Nov 08, 2008 1:20 am)

I read about it. I must say though that I am thoroughly disappointed with Volvo as this is my third Volvo car. In today's marketplace I think they should take every opportunity to achieve positive feedback.
#85 of 97
purchasing loaner 2008 V70 from dealer by bsy
Nov 19, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Looking into purchasing a 2008 V70 used as a loaner, how does one properly determined a fair purchase value for such cars. There are a couple of cars in the dealership that have different mileage on them (2,000 to 6,000 miles). Typically, how much of a discount from invoice should one expect? Or should invoice be the starting point at all for determining a fair purchase value? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Re: purchasing loaner 2008 V70 from dealer [bsy] by qbrozen
Nov 19, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: bsy (Nov 19, 2008 4:32 am)

For me, it is a used car, period. I don't care if it was never titled. So I'd find out, if possible, what its worth as a trade-in and work up from there.
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Update by nibs
Nov 21, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Another problem.
 
Temps have cooled off and early morning frost has become the norm. Went outside on Wednesday, opened the drivers side rear door, placed my briefcase in and then shut the door. Upon getting in the car and starting it up I noticed that the rear door open indicator was on. I got out and opened and closed the door again. No luck, the light stayed on. Finally got the car into service today and the door lock module is faulty.
 
Also the rear hatch foam was replaced in an effort to reduce the noise coming from the tailgate. No luck there either. I think this is the car that Jack built.
 
Run people run.

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