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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [mitchellrowe] by daryll44
Oct 03, 2007 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: mitchellrowe (Aug 08, 2007 5:47 pm)

I still believe you are confusing the chicken with the egg. Here in the Northeast most Mercedes sold are AWD. All Audis are AWD. If they made the LS with AWD, it would be almost all that is sold up here. And if people don't want to pay for AWD, they can still make the RWD version like Mercedes does. If the LS is supposed to be the beest car ever built...and I agree it is...then let's get with the times and offer an AWD version so it can fairly compete with the other luxury makes that offer their alpha-male flagship with AWD.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [ljflx] by daryll44
Oct 03, 2007 (3:29 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Oct 02, 2007 7:30 pm)

With all due respect, the "instantaneous" miles per gallon meter has been available on cars since the late 1970s. This is not a "gee-whiz" thing.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [daryll44] by ljflx
Oct 03, 2007 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: daryll44 (Oct 03, 2007 3:29 am)

With all due respect, the "instantaneous" miles per gallon meter has been available on cars since the late 1970s. This is not a "gee-whiz" thing.
 
I'm paying attention to it for the first time and know that most people don't ever explore this stuff - hence my point.
 
I still believe you are confusing the chicken with the egg. Here in the Northeast most Mercedes sold are AWD.
 
I shopped an S-class AWD early last winter. The S is also a great car IMO. But the salesman told me that RWD MB's outsell AWD cars 10:1 in my area (NYC and suburbs) and we get plenty of snow here. The inbound cars he showed me (and this was late January and February) of E-class and S-class certainly proved his point and on the road I only see a handful of MB 4-matic cars vs RWD MB's. Nevertheless I would have gone 4-matic if I had gone S-class.
 
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [daryll44] by mitchellrowe
Oct 03, 2007 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: daryll44 (Oct 03, 2007 3:28 am)

mr. daryll44 :
re : mb e and s class 4 matic automobiles .
currently , if you want one , there is a factory to dealer CASH incentive of $ 5000 to $ 8000 per car on the 2007 models . how much you actually receive is up to the dealer .
i asked around , and some dealers deny the incentive , some want to split it , and some who just want to sell cars give it up . ( check here at edmond's for all the auto rebates on the incentive page ) .
either the car is not to "hot" a seller , or they built too many at a $ 90 k price to give up $ 5 grand extra , plus their normal 7 % , + the 3 % holdback .
yes i found a dealer who would sell one at $ 1000 over net net of incentive , markup and holdback .
so much for all wheel drive .
mitchell rowe
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [mitchellrowe] by syswei
Oct 03, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: mitchellrowe (Oct 03, 2007 8:07 am)

yes i found a dealer who would sell one at $ 1000 over net net of incentive , markup and holdback
 
What dealer? I am tempted!
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [ljflx] by daryll44
Oct 03, 2007 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Oct 03, 2007 6:45 am)

Here in Pittsburgh (snow, hills) almost ALL Mercedes sold these days are AWD.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [ljflx] by cyclone4
Oct 03, 2007 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Oct 02, 2007 7:30 pm)

Len,
 
Your comments are SO encouraging. It will be fun to take a long trip on the new LS and not have to fill up the tank for about 700 miles. I am really looking forward to all the wonderful features this car has to offer.
 
BTW, I hope you are not a Mets fan Since I originally came from the Boston area, I have been a very passionate fan of the Red Sox and Patriots.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [cyclone4] by ljflx
Oct 03, 2007 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Oct 03, 2007 11:19 am)

I am both a Met fan and a Yankee fan and didn't think the Mets had a snowballs chance in hell of beating an Ameican league team - so it didn't matter to me. Colorado or Philly has a shot against the American league elite IMO, so in a strange way I'm glad Philly got in. Plus they beat the Mets 7 straight down the stretch and more than deserved it.
 
The team that bothers me is the Jets. Pennington has great character and leadership but throws like a 60 year old. Joe Namath at his cuurent age probably has better arm strength then Pennington. I took the Directv sunday ticket in hi def this year and on every channel I see quarterbacks that can throw bullets 30 yards down the middle or to the sidelines. I put the Jets on and I see nothing but 5-15 yard flutters and lobs. The guy has no arm and can't open a defense so the Jets - my favorite NY team have no chance. Chad may have good statistics but it's not because he can pass a ball effectively and when it matters the defense just collapse the field to the 20-25 yards he can passs it andstops them or intercepts him. It's really painful to look at because it's so predictable. Clemens the back-up guy has the zip needed on his throws and opened up the Raven defense in ways that Pennington can only dream about on the day he played.
 
On the LS my mileage is getting better and better every week. But adjust your 700 mile expectation to 550-600 miles on open highway and whatever you get over that is real gravy.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [ljflx] by cyclone4
Oct 03, 2007 (6:09 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Oct 03, 2007 12:06 pm)

Well, after watching Josh Becket's dominant performance tonight, I feel real good about the Sox making it to the ALCS. Who knows? The Sox and the Yanks could meet again for another epic ALCS match up.
 
You are right about Pennington. His arm strength is really bad. It looks like the Pats have this division basically wrapped up. I think that the Pats are going go all the way this season. I believe that Tom Brady is the best QB in the league. Look what he is doing now that he has some great receivers. As long as the Pats have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, they will always contend for the Super Bowl.
 
Thanks for the info about your awesome LS. Let's keep in touch on this forum.
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Re: cyclone4, mitchellrowe [cyclone4] by ljflx
Oct 03, 2007 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Oct 03, 2007 6:09 pm)

Will do. I think I've been on Edmunds more this week than in the past 4 months. Maybe it's because we have a forum that is in-line with the old Edmunds. Now if they start breaking this up into 5 components of the 2008 LS then we are back to lunacy again.
 
The pats look unstoppable right now but you never know how quickly injuries can undo a season. I think the Colts and Steelers can challenge them but are clearly underdogs. The chargers implosion under Norv Tuner was almost predictable. What an idiot that GM was for firing a 14-2 coach. I am anxious to see how the Giants play now that they've made a great defensive comeback. I'm also glad to see a power team - maybe - emerging in Dallas. I'm getting a bit tired of the power dominance of the AFC in football and the AL in baseball. In the latter I think folks around here are underestimating the Indians. I think the yankees can and will beat them but the Indians are the type of team that can hit just about everywhere in their line-up and make Rivera and Chamberlain meaningless. Think of the tigers last year and the angels hitting annihilation of the yankees years ago.
 
I'm actually hoping the Jets get to a 1-6 record so that they have no choice but to give Clemens a shot. If they do decent under Chad the next few games then we're going to have an 8-8 or 9-7 record, no chance at winning anything in the post season, waste away next year with a similar or worse record and be 2 years further back in QB development. Now just watch all that happen. I have nothing against Chad - he's charasmatic, a leader and tough as nails. But he lacks an arm and the last time I checked that's a QB's most important asset.
 
See if your dealer keeps in touch with you on the LS production process. Mine did and even e-mailed me an update fromn the factory on one occassion. Again I orderred the car on January 31, was notified it would arrive in port in early May and took delivery in mid May. So total time from order to delivery was 3.5 months. In fact the car was ready a few days before I picked it up. You will really like the new Nav as functionality, ease of use and screen imaging is all much improved. I'm curious if they put back in place the memory on the passenger side in 2008. My car has memory in all seats but the passenger seat.
 
BTW - remember that absurd C&D review about a year ago. They said they got 12 or 14mpg in combo driving on this car in that review. I do 15mpg on my GX for cryin out loud. I think I'd have to tow a yacht with this car to get that type of mileage. Now that I have 5 months of this car under my belt I can honestly say that was one of the worst pieces of journalism I've ever experienced and just about everything they said was dead wrong - right down to the footrest. I have zero trust and respect for that mag and threw out the renewal they sent me the other day.

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