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How does PHILL affect your home gas bill?

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#4 of 13 Re: Buying Used Honda GX in Los Angeles [jetboatjohnny] by hdj3 Jul 20, 2007 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: jetboatjohnny (Jul 20, 2007 4:04 pm) Wow, that's a great deal. Did you buy the GX through a dealership? If so, is it hard to haggle with a dealer because it's a GX? Honda GX's aren't exactly selling like crazy, so I'm thinking that dealers want to get rid of them. Thanks. Replies to this message: jetboatjohnny (Jul 22, 2007 4:27 am)
#5 of 13 Thousand Oaks Honda by dejapooh Jul 21, 2007 (7:24 am)
I bought my new Civic GX at the Thousand Oaks Honda. I love the car (as much as I can love a car), but I would not go back any time soon. I really needed a car and just wanted to buy one. I should have shopped around more. There is a guy who's posted here and on the yahoo CNG newsgroup who is from the Antelope Valley Honda and he seemed more willing to work on Price. The cars come up for sale on Ebay pretty regularly (there is a dealership somewhere in like Azusa that has them on occasion). Finally of course there is CNGmotors.com in Arizona. They charge a bit for shipping to So Cal, but their prices are about Blue Book for a gasoline fuel car. When I looked a few days ago, they had a few in stock along with the the FS2 (they discount additional fuel tanks and home fueling stations). I've also found a few on the other used car websites.   used CNG cars seem to be getting harder to find.
#6 of 13 Re: Buying Used Honda GX in Los Angeles [hdj3] by jetboatjohnny Jul 22, 2007 (4:27 am)
Replying to: hdj3 (Jul 20, 2007 5:34 pm) I bought it on E-Bay from a used car dealer in Tujunga, CA. Initially the deal went fine, but after a few months I never got my plates. I had to smog the car to get the plates and the dealer never reimbursed be for the test. A few months later I got a flat and realized I had no jack. It was owned by the city of LA, is in great shape except for a few very small door dings. Before I bought the car I checked KBB, and they did not list the GX, but a comparable gasoline Civic was listed for about 9,100 retail, so it looked like a good deal. J
#7 of 13 why? by dejapooh Jul 22, 2007 (6:42 am)
Why were the plates delayed? Did the dealer make good on the jack?   The plates took 3 months for my new car and you can buy a jack for about $100 I guess. If it is a good enough deal... I would say you were still ahead. Replies to this message: jetboatjohnny (Jul 23, 2007 4:13 pm) epnfrn (Jul 23, 2007 4:32 pm)
#8 of 13 Re: why? [dejapooh] by jetboatjohnny Jul 23, 2007 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: dejapooh (Jul 22, 2007 6:42 am) I checked with the DMV at the time (Thru the Auto Club) and the paperwork had been sent back to the dealer as incomplete. Then I contacted the dealer and it took a few days for them to finally get back to me. I just took the scissor jack out of my van, I have a floor jack I leave in it anyway. J Replies to this message: epnfrn (Jul 23, 2007 4:32 pm)
#9 of 13 Re: why? [jetboatjohnny] by epnfrn Jul 23, 2007 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: jetboatjohnny (Jul 23, 2007 4:13 pm) this has nothing to do with the topic ... you guys might want to move to new forum. epi
#10 of 13 Re: Home Gas Bill [hdj3] by whoolia Jul 30, 2007 (5:31 pm)
Replying to: hdj3 (Jul 18, 2007 9:44 pm) I can't speak for all gas utilities, but here in Southern California my friend got a Phill system, and now he's paying less than $1 per gasoline gallon equivalent. And the same discount is now applied to his entire home gas bill. Even though prices float, that's still a great discount! So I'm in the process of getting a Phill installed. Not the simplest process, by the way, but I figure it will be worth it. First step here in California is to apply with your local utility for them to evaluate if your local gas meets standards set by the State. If your utility is Southern California Gas Company, go to http://socalgas.com/business/ngv/homefueling.shtml and then click on Letter of Intent. whoolia Replies to this message: hdj3 (Jul 31, 2007 4:57 pm) xpacific (Aug 05, 2007 7:48 pm)
#11 of 13 Re: Home Gas Bill [whoolia] by hdj3 Jul 31, 2007 (4:57 pm)
Replying to: whoolia (Jul 30, 2007 5:31 pm) Thanks. I got approved by the Gas Company. I got an estimate from the a local Phill installer, he is charging $1400.00. The actual Phill hardware is around $4000.00. I'm looking at close to $6k. I know there are incentives like the refund, tax credit and having a carpoo sticker, I just think that's pricey for this Phill system. I gonna try to get a 2nd estimate for a Phill installation. Replies to this message: xpacific (Aug 05, 2007 7:48 pm)
#12 of 13 Re: Home Gas Bill [hdj3] by xpacific Aug 05, 2007 (7:48 pm)
Replying to: hdj3 (Jul 31, 2007 4:57 pm) You might want to consider getting another FuelMaker product other than Phill. There are often used FM4's (fill to 3000 psi) out on eBay for under $4,000 and are infinitely rebuildable as opposed to Phill crapping out on you after 6,000 hours (only 3,000 gallons). If you do get a used one be sure to contact your local FuelMaker dealer to get it checked-out and installed. You might also find a used FM-Q2-36 which fills up to 3600 psi.

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