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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by jipster
Jan 01, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 01, 2008 10:23 am)

Buying a house is a good investment. You have something to show for it when you want to sell. To me rent is pouring money down the drain. You make someone else rich, while having nothing to show for all the years of monthly payments. I literally doubled my money on my first home purchase. Not a bad return for 5 years of ownership. Now, you got money coming out the ears... it really doesn't matter does it.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by steve_ HOST
Jan 01, 2008 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 01, 2008 10:23 am)

I got my first house when I was 21 or so. It was also a scraper on a great lot in an upscale neighborhood. I think it was $19.5k and I was making about $9k and making a Jeep payment too. It had been a summer cabin. It's still there, lol. Made a few grand on that one back in '77 doing a FSBO.
 
Then a brick house - no maintenance, yippee!. Sold that for $10k profit after three years. Then 15 years in a ranch house in Anchorage after renting a while. Spent a lot of money on fixing it up. Was upside down doing the bust of the late 80s and then "made" a little money when we moved in '00 with another FSBO. We really enjoyed living there.
 
Then a older well built house across town here that just didn't work, so we sold it after a year for what we paid (made enough to cover the commission and we kept the newish hot tub). Now here for 6 years - time flies. This one is up a good percentage thanks to the Boise boom, but we didn't buy it for that.
 
I learned years ago that you don't buy a home for an investment (sorry Jip, can't agree with you there) - you buy it to live there. Being a passive stock investor makes a lot more sense if you just want to make money. I didn't lose a bit of sleep during the 80's bust worrying how much my mortgage was vs what I could sell it for.
 
No issue with renting and I think the home mortgage deduction is a bad idea. I think that's another part of the appraisal and price inflation you see on house prices.
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Re: . [steve_] by jipster
Jan 01, 2008 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 01, 2008 10:53 am)

learned years ago that you don't buy a home for an investment (sorry Jip, can't agree with you there) - you buy it to live there
 
Yeah.... I agree with that. Unless you are buying just to flip and turn a profit... which I don't do. But, it is nice that you can buy a home and have it's value increase significantly to where you can upgrade on equity alone in 10 years. I took out a 15 year loan when I bought my current home, had it paid off in 12 years. Pride in ownership is a wonderful thing.
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Re: . [jipster] by steve_ HOST
Jan 01, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: jipster (Jan 01, 2008 11:12 am)

Calling the landlord when the roof leaks would be nice too - spent $9k on a new roof here last year.
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Re: . [jipster] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 01, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: jipster (Jan 01, 2008 10:42 am)

I don't think they are such good investments. People don't add up all the real costs and then compare them to putting those mortgage payments into a successful mutual fund for 30 years.
 
To me, paying interest is money down the drain, too unless you are in for a long, long haul.
 
Rent is like leasing. You get to live in a much nicer house (or drive a much nicer car) than you could if you bought it. Why should I care if I leave the house with nothing, especially at my age?
 
We are all going to leave our houses with nothing anyway
 
Sure, you can leave the house to wivey and kids to live in, but then they have to pay the mortgage unless it's all paid off.
 
I don't see rent vs. buy as a clear-cut thing one way or the other.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by steve_ HOST
Jan 01, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 01, 2008 11:22 am)

I bet I've "made" more money over the last twenty years by driving my (reliable) cars forever than I have made owing a house.
 
I'm pretty adept at keeping my car's TCO down pretty low (within safety factors of course ).
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Jan 01, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 01, 2008 11:22 am)

It's certainly that way in my area. If my apartment building was to convert to condos, the mortgage on my place would literally be double what I pay in rent right now. Luckily, the chances of a conversion taking place are pretty much zero as the local condo market is oversaturating, and a condo conversion building 2 blocks away from me has gone back to renting out the unsold units - which is something like 70% from what I hear. And those rentals too are far less than a mortgage - even after they have been tarted up with deluxe kitchens and pretentious trim etc.
 
I bet if I invested that half a mortgage (vs rent) for a 20 or 25 year term, I could come out ahead of the value of the condo over the same period.
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. by fintail
Jan 13, 2008 (10:10 am)
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This beautiful mansionette not more than a couple blocks from me just hit the market
 
Yeah, the housing market here still needs a correction. I'd love to have the garage, but the house is barely larger than my studio apartment.
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Re: . [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Jan 13, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 13, 2008 10:10 am)

Your link didn't work for me but I assume you mean the Surrey Downs one. Lot of dough ....
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Re: . [steve_] by fintail
Jan 13, 2008 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 13, 2008 12:33 pm)

Yep that's it. They want like 50K over Zillow for it, I think. Insane.

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