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Re: . [rockylee] by fintail
Dec 28, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 28, 2007 11:03 am)

From my experience, the quality of housing in northern Europe far exceeds the average seen on this continent. It's also a reason why they don't have such a huge housebuilding industry - people simply renovate existing structures as needed, instead of buying something disposable and moving on when it is worn out. Even houses from the 50s here seem to be better built than newer ones.
 
As was mentioned, cardboard and plywood can be workable if built properly...but I don't know if many will build properly to begin with when using low grade materials. I see a lot of 70s-80s developments in my area that are really beginning to look ragged, and it is more than cosmetic neglect - the houses were just built as cheaply as possible.
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Oh woe is you... by pf_flyer HOST
Dec 28, 2007 (9:09 pm)
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Sorry guys. Making poor financial decisions is a personal problem and not some conspiracy.
 
When we built our home back in 1986 it was NOT cheap as far as we were concerned, and adjustable rate mortgages were waving their seductive charms in our face just like now. I didn't take the bait then because of what COULD happen.
 
Are there people hurting now? Certainly. And they certainly seem to find themselves in a cleft stick of their own making. You can't budget your finanaces and want to live beyond your means? Don't cry to me when YOUR bills come due and you didn't have the foresight to plan on how you were going to pay them.
 
We had a "woe is me" front page story here about a guy having to file bankruptcy because of the amount he has out on credit cards. He put his kid's college tuition on a credit card. And now he's surprised he's in a finacial hole and expecting someone else to bail him out or feel sorry for him?
I'd love to have a plasma HDTV too. Where's the line of people who are gonna pay for that for me?
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Re: Oh woe is you... [pf_flyer] by okko1
Dec 28, 2007 (9:58 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 28, 2007 9:09 pm)

i would agree that houses really don't cost a bunch more now than they did in days gone by. if you had the money then you could buy. during the depression my grandparents bought a three bedroom ranch across corner from a school for 3200 dollars. it is not likely that 60 years later we would be working for oh let's say 3 or 4 dollars a day either. it is all about your means.
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Re: Oh woe is you... [okko1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 29, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: okko1 (Dec 28, 2007 9:58 pm)

I think we have to work more to buy them though. It's not as simple as adjusting for inflation. Many of our grandparents had a summer house, too, and only one parent working. Now we have two people working hard to keep one house going.
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Re: Oh woe is you... [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Dec 29, 2007 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 29, 2007 9:37 am)

Exactly. Houses do cost much more relative to real incomes, at least in this area.
 
The average 3 bedroom rambler my grandparents bought ca. 45 years ago is now worth about 30x its original price. It's not inflation, it is creative financing and speculation that creates artificial demand. It's not unlike the debt-based GDP seen here.
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Re: Oh woe is you... [Mr_Shiftright] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 29, 2007 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 29, 2007 9:37 am)

I don't think that is related to the price of the house, though (well.. maybe where you live!).
 
It is more all of the extra stuff that we need now.. For instance, when was the last time you saw a one-earner household that only owned one car? That used to be the norm when I was growing up..
 
My cell phone bill is around $75/mo. for three phones.... pretty cheap, but we didn't need those when I was younger, either.
 
My wife's salary would easily pay the mortgage, utility, taxes etc. on our home, plus everything else, if we could otherwise live like we did in the '60s.. (You notice who gets to quit here, right? ).
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Re: Oh woe is you... [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 29, 2007 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 29, 2007 9:40 am)

That's because the VALUE of the house has not gone up only the price. It's the same wood, stone, dirt, etc. Perhaps improvements could account for some of the big price tag today, but really it's all about speculation inside of people's heads.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by tpulak
Dec 30, 2007 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 26, 2007 6:15 pm)

Whats going on with the prices!?? Don't worry. I have a spare room in my house. Move to Texas, and you can share my bedroom.(lol)
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Houses cost too little! by jipster
Dec 30, 2007 (1:44 pm)
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New housing has dropped signifiantly this year. Market soft. Good time to move up into a bigger more expensive home.
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Re: . [tpulak] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 31, 2007 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: tpulak (Dec 30, 2007 9:13 am)

The prices are nuts, irrational, crazy in California. There's no relation anymore to the price vs. the substance of what you are buying. At least a $10,000 watch is built like one and a $100K car has leather, wood, and quality throughout. But a $650K house is a pile of rotten sticks.
 
What you're paying for is ground, that's it.

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