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Re: . [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 27, 2007 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 27, 2007 8:51 am)

That's a rough commute. It's gonna get old real fast, poor guy.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Dec 27, 2007 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 27, 2007 9:03 am)

The worst part is that the 2 hours will cover less than 20 miles. I'll keep my 10 minute commute and deal with living in an apartment, while awaiting the condo market to correct itself (already in my area condo conversions are being rented out again, as they couldn't sell)
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Re: . [fintail] by rockylee
Dec 28, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 27, 2007 9:44 am)

Jeeze fintail, how do you guys afford it ? Does everybody in Washington State, make six figures a year ????? I drove 91 miles one way for 3 years plus worked a 13 hour shift. I come back to Michigan, and places I thought took a long time to get to at times are like a hop, skip and a jump now.
 
So yeah that 2 hour drive will get very old.... trust me !!!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: . [rockylee] by fintail
Dec 28, 2007 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 28, 2007 7:19 am)

People either work multiple jobs, rent out rooms, deal with a long commute, or live in a apt/condo. Of course, those who are old enough to have bought 15-20+ years ago don't face the same mess...and many of them arrogantly act like some kind of tycoon because they were around then and bought cheap. The market here is just starting to go soft, as it has in so many other areas. I was looking at a couple of condos in the summer of 06 - one of them is still on the market, for 40K less! And apartment conversions to condos are going back to rentals. Serves the speculators right.
 
I have a 10-15 min commute, and that is enough for me. Driving here is only tolerable on Sundays. I'll live in a smaller place to not spend 100 hours per month in crawling traffic.
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Re: . [fintail] by rockylee
Dec 28, 2007 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 28, 2007 7:56 am)

Hey man I totally agree with the way you feel. It still puzzles me how "our" generation is suppose to afford these meager homes that are several hundred thousand dollars. I guess at some point they will come out with generation loans to spike the housing market again where you can sign your kids and grandkids up as a promisary to pay the remaining balance owed.
 
-Rocky
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Re: . [rockylee] by fintail
Dec 28, 2007 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 28, 2007 9:50 am)

I'm waiting for the 100 year mortgage. We're already halfway there!
 
Once the boomers are gone, the housing market will be a bit different, as real incomes are not increasing as they did for so long, and few people will have been able to buy cheap. The only thing that might keep housing going is that so many are built so cheaply and poorly today that they will be teardowns in 25-30 years, and that will require replacement...of course, with another cardboard 'n plywood dream house.
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Re: . [fintail] by rockylee
Dec 28, 2007 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 28, 2007 9:53 am)

Yeah they don't build em' like they use too.
 
My 3x great grandfather's house he built in the mid 1800's in Larvik, Norway looks as good as new. Try to say that about a home built today 150 years from now and well it be there anymore because like you said cardboard 'n plywood only lasts so long, eh ????
 
-Rocky
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Re: . [rockylee] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 28, 2007 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 28, 2007 10:03 am)

You can still build a good house out of plywood and cardboard..
 
The important things are a good foundation, and keeping things dry... Given those two things are done correctly, almost any house will last a hundred years...
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Re: . [rockylee] by fintail
Dec 28, 2007 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 28, 2007 10:03 am)

From my experience, the quality of housing in northern Europe far exceeds the average seen on this continent. It's also a reason why they don't have such a huge housebuilding industry - people simply renovate existing structures as needed, instead of buying something disposable and moving on when it is worn out. Even houses from the 50s here seem to be better built than newer ones.
 
As was mentioned, cardboard and plywood can be workable if built properly...but I don't know if many will build properly to begin with when using low grade materials. I see a lot of 70s-80s developments in my area that are really beginning to look ragged, and it is more than cosmetic neglect - the houses were just built as cheaply as possible.
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Oh woe is you... by pf_flyer HOST
Dec 28, 2007 (8:09 pm)
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Sorry guys. Making poor financial decisions is a personal problem and not some conspiracy.
 
When we built our home back in 1986 it was NOT cheap as far as we were concerned, and adjustable rate mortgages were waving their seductive charms in our face just like now. I didn't take the bait then because of what COULD happen.
 
Are there people hurting now? Certainly. And they certainly seem to find themselves in a cleft stick of their own making. You can't budget your finanaces and want to live beyond your means? Don't cry to me when YOUR bills come due and you didn't have the foresight to plan on how you were going to pay them.
 
We had a "woe is me" front page story here about a guy having to file bankruptcy because of the amount he has out on credit cards. He put his kid's college tuition on a credit card. And now he's surprised he's in a finacial hole and expecting someone else to bail him out or feel sorry for him?
I'd love to have a plasma HDTV too. Where's the line of people who are gonna pay for that for me?

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