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48 messages, Last post on Jun 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM
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since this is just the Alt vs Sonata forum...i went with the Altima in my previous statement....however...hands down i would take the Camry...but thats not this forum...and id take a hybrid...as far as CR & JD are concerned......I havnt read 1 single forum yet......where anybody who has had issues or problems with thier Hyundais'.....Although impressive with a 100k 10 yr warranty....( every single comment i've read in edmunds)..and i've read alot...Cant get thier Dealer to fix jack.... So whats the great warranty for if EVERYTHING...falls within Hyundais alotted guidelines and accepted standards.???..Hyundai writes a great warranty...and off sets it by never fixing anything beacause its within thier tollerences.......NOT GOOD!....now i know you think im anti Hyundai.....but i'm not...i just havnt heard anything positive about getting anything under warranty handled..... p.s. on june 30th I purchased a new 2007 Elantra....so NO..im not anti hyundai.... i just hope it never breaks so i dont have to deal with the dealers......and hear its o.k., because it falls within hyundais tollerences....i.e. having a speedometer off by almost 5 MPH at 60....thats not acceptable....but 4.9 is to hyundai?????/
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Replying to: caaz (Jul 25, 2007 1:03 pm) My wife's 2004 Honda Ody became 3 yrs recently and it never had to go back to the dealer for any repairs of any kind. I have been doing my own PM (engine/tranny oil, brakes, etc) as well as unscheduled repairs on all my cars for the past 35 yrs as a matter of personal interest and aptitude. We have 5 cars in the family today. With that kind of reliability in the Honda, I would want the same for my replacement cars. So with my 13 yr old Continental due for replacement, I researched many cars including the Sonata in detail. Its good reliability record in the past 5 years plus the approvals/blessings from CR and JDP impressed me. What impressed me most was its price -a fully loaded new 2007 Sonata Limited at under $20K, which is at least $8K cheaper than a comparably equipped Accord, Camry, Maxima, etc. These are reliable cars too, but an extra $8K cannot be justified. When I took delivery of the 2007 Sonata, I told the dealer GM that its quality benchmark was my Honda Ody with no reliability problems. He was up to the challenge and referenced the same JDP quality ratings (I knew already) of Porsche, Lexus, Hyundai and Toyota, Honda in that order. |
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Replying to: latasha (Jul 25, 2007 10:54 am)
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Replying to: starryknight (Jul 25, 2007 5:26 pm) As many car magazines and other authorities would attest to, the good ole fashioned keys are still the best. One is much more likely to be stranded by a deprogrammed key fob for many reasons you stated than a malfunctioning ole fashioned steel/aluminum key. And what for? - to be/appear fashionable? Another French (parent Renault)connection? How silly! Another likely French connection with Nissan was the placement of the instrument guages in the center of the dashboard of the large minivan Quest. It was a distraction and unsafe for driving. Well after 3 yrs, they finally got it and moved it back where it normally should be - directly infront of the driver!! Probably too late now for damage control in turning off earlier potential customers. The BMW I-drive is another nuisance that some may copy. The I-drive is very complicated and require a PhD to understand it. Whatever happened to the KISS principle? |
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Replying to: caaz (Jul 25, 2007 1:03 pm) 
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Replying to: macakava (Jul 25, 2007 11:25 am) Renault has nothing to do with how nissan builds, designs, or sells its cars. renault doesn't own nissan. The just purchased a large stake in the company, and as a result, recieve a very fat check every quater........like every other shareholder. they build their own vehicles in separate factories and compete against each other in most countries, the US being the one of the few that they don't. as someone else said, every manufacture has its lemons, and an online message board is hardly an indicator of vehicle reliability. the best indication of the quality of any car is in its resale value. Car "A" will not resell for more than car "B" for no reason. cars that are built better and last longer resell for more $$.
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Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 28, 2007 4:24 am) It would be rather naive to think that the two organizations would not work to consolidate ideas, cultures, resources, supply chain in the spirit of cost reduction. Corporations are forced to operate that way. The best measurement of car quality is in the number of defects per vehicle(such as warranty repairs) over a period of time. Resale is what is perceived/acceped as its market value by the buying public at the time. When gas was cheap, big SUVs had high resale value; today they are a dime a dozen.
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Replying to: macakava (Jul 28, 2007 4:31 am) It wasn't a huge amount of money, at least in the automotive world. and they did exert influence in that they fired all the top management. that was nissan's problem. good company, quality product, but horrendously managed. renault bought into them as an investment, and and, anytime you buy into a troubled company finacial danger is quite possible. but they never have, and don't now, tell nissan how to build their cars. they simply bought in, brought in a new ceo and management team, then sat back and collected their share of the profits. we could argue resale all day. but the bottom line is, if nissan vehicles were such (french inspired) pieces of crap, they wouldn't hold their value as well as they do. 7 people on a message board who had problems doesn't realy mean much. I've owned three nissan vehicles, and between the 3, over 375k miles and 17 years, I might have spent 2k in repair bills. but that too, doesn't really mean much. how a car holds up is determined by a lot of things. how well its maintained, and how its driven can make even the most reliable car look like junk.
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Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 28, 2007 5:08 am) Another factor is the delivered price. Last year, I purchased a new 2006 Hyundai Sonata LX V6 (the predecessor trim to the current Limited) for a price of $17,600, plus tax, title, and license. When you pay considerably less than MSRP to begin with, increased depreciation is again somewhat nullified. It's only a matter of time until Hyundai's resale value improves, as they are building excellent products today. My brother has a 2006 Elantra, and it's never been to the dealer for any warranty work whatsoever. So, the 10 year power train warranty, and 5 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, are just icing on the cake for him. Personally, I really like the looks of the new Altima, but would shy away from the first year of a new generation. My Hyundai dealer treats me exceptionally well. It's the best experience I've ever had, both from a sales and routine service point of view. And, I've owned Honda, Toyota, Nissan, SAAB, and Volvo cars before with various extremes of dealer experiences. One other thing - as to the length of warranty offered by a manufacturer. As one who has worked in management for an electronics manufacturer, I can state that the length of a warranty is not determined by how much warranty work is expected or projected over that time period, actually the opposite is true. A manufacturer that offers a long warranty feels that the product is built so well, that the warranty WILL NOT be needed. It's simply used as a marketing tool. If the converse was true, manufacturers who offer long-term warranties would suffer extraordinary expenses and costs which would ultimately bankrupt them. |
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Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 28, 2007 5:08 am) Financially troubled organizations need to be led by influencial leaders for a successfull turnaround - these involve changes from the leading organization in all aspects of the business. Unless you have a blind organization leading another blind one, i.e. Sears and K-Mart. IHOP and Applebees are shaping up to be the same... Like Colloquor, I keep my cars at least 10 years after which trade-in value is of insignificant concern. My latest trade-in was my 13 yr old Continental. The best warranty is one that you never use. The legal liability of a longer warranty like Hyundai's 10 yr warranty is very expensive to the manufacturer - so it has to have high confidence that their product is so reliable that their repair costs over the 10 years is tolerable. Since I keep my cars 10+ yrs, I know that I am covered for the first 10 years.
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