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Re: Problem with Honda Civic 2009 IMA [bp_madman]
by ulrike1
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Jul 02, 2009 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: bp_madman (Jun 23, 2009 7:47 pm)
I have had my 2009 Civid Hybrid for 6 months and am experiencing the exact same problems with the IMA that have been described here. This includes the frustration with the dealer telling me that this is a known problem at Honda, but no plans to really do anything about it. And being told that the problems are because of the heat here in Texas. I also would NOT recommend this car to anyone. I am trying to figure out a way to get rid of mine without too much financial pain.
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- #100 of 171
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Re: Problem with Honda Civic 2009 IMA [ulrike1]
by ilikecake
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Jul 02, 2009 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: ulrike1 (Jul 02, 2009 5:33 pm)
I recommend registering your frustration with American Honda. I've found they listen, investigate, and sometimes react favorably. If something good comes out of it, be sure to come back and let others know (and to avoid this forum just being complaints without the other half of the story).
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [freddierap]
by joek11
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Jul 07, 2009 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: freddierap (Oct 18, 2008 8:13 am)
I am having the same problem in my 06 Civic hybrid. I took the car to the dealer and they couldnt find anything wrong with it (using computer error code read outs). So I told them to leave it out in the 103F heat all after and then drive it for 5 minutes around 3pm. Sure enough the problem replicated itself while the tech was in the car with the computer hooked up for error reading. Much to my suprise Honda took the problem very seriously. They took a computer snapshot and sent it into Honda regional office for further diagnosis.
HOWEVER after about 2 days of waiting Honda came back and basically said, "Sorry this is a known issue. Nothing we can do. We will call you back when we have a fix for this problem." The official documentation I received from Honda said, "heat issue".
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- #102 of 171
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [joek11]
by kamc
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Jul 07, 2009 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: joek11 (Jul 07, 2009 6:21 am)
I am having the same problem. I took the advice to call American Honda. After a detail explanation of the problem, the operator refused to help me. She was trying to be nice since I was very polite to her. The final answer was - too bad, you got a Honda, and I was not going to help you. I am not sure why Honda is not listening. I am sorry that I have not find this site before I got my lemon. Now, I don't know what to do? Please help me. I can't afford to sell the car, and buy another one. Last Honda for me. I am going to Saturn.
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Sean Gerner - are you still reading.
by kamc
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Jul 07, 2009 (8:38 am)
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- #104 of 171
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [kamc]
by Ogre_GEV
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Jul 11, 2009 (6:34 am)
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Replying to: kamc (Jul 07, 2009 8:26 am)
From the original description (downward recal & loss of regen), it sounds like the battery is acting up in a way that the MCM understands, but that it doesn't think is a fatal problem. A downward recal (battery dropping to zero) happens when the MCM discovers that what it thinks the battery's charge is does not match reality. It then drops the gauge to zero and applies what looks like a force charge (but is not) to try to evaluate the battery. During this period, regenerative braking is unavailable.
In your case, the MCM is then determining that the battery is still usable and is not generating an IMA light. Honda's official policy is to "not fix what ain't broke" and deny claims where the MCM still thinks the battery is okay - because it is okay to drive.
This process will continue and the battery will continue to degrade until the MCM finally gives up on the battery. At that time, Honda will replace it.
Disclaimer: I could be wrong and it could be a false battery problem where the MCM thinks there is something wrong with the battery and there is not - but I doubt it.
JoeK11's battery is acting up only under heat. I've seen cells that only fail when heated - but they are rare. Usually, they'll be weak enough when cool to detect.
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Planning to Get a 2006 Civic Hybrid
by gani
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Jul 29, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Please help me
what should be my checklist
How can find any IMA issues?
The owner says he had it for 20k miles and runs good and gives between 45 - 50 mpg
This car has a salvage rebuilt title and only 33000 miles
what should be my concerns
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Re: Planning to Get a 2006 Civic Hybrid [gani]
by MB_in_MN
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Jul 30, 2009 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: gani (Jul 29, 2009 7:38 pm)
I would worry more about the title issues. Who did the rebuild, and what kind of accident was it? There are horror stories of people being injured in rebuilt cars because the air bags weren't properly fixed, along with other problems.
If you have major IMA issues the light will come on. However, if you read this thread you will see that there can be issues without seeing the light on. At a minimum take it to a dealer for a complete checkout, and make sure that you can return it if the dealer finds a problem. (Note: find a dealer with experience fixing the hybrids!)
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Re: Planning to Get a 2006 Civic Hybrid [gani]
by Ogre_GEV
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Aug 04, 2009 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: gani (Jul 29, 2009 7:38 pm)
If the IMA light is not on, then you don't have any IMA problems yet, but if the car sat for months as it was rebuilt, the battery may die toward the end of the first year you own it. This is not a disaster as it can be rebuilt fairly cheaply, but you need to plan ahead for what will likely happen.
Typically, a car will take at least 45 days to go from collision to auction block. Then the car was repaired. During this time, the battery was sitting without being charged up. In my experience, a battery with several years on it will die with a P1447/P1433 error 9 months (+/- 2 months) after it has been left to sit for 90 days or more.
Budget about $1000 and three weeks to fix it.
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [joek11]
by rosie2006
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Aug 15, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: joek11 (Jul 07, 2009 6:21 am)
Please let me know if you have found a resolution, am off to pick up my 06, they say it is normal??? Mpg had decreased from 40 to 34-35, IMA was fine until recently, 107,000 miles and it is not working like it did before and worse since the update on Monday Aug 10, 2009. Am so frustrated, same story, American Honda is not taking responsibility for this, says its working normal, but normal is NOT normal! Going to schedule a Factory Rep test drive. Any suggestions?
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