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#879 of 1532 Re: Replaced IMA not by Honda [action21]
Jan 02, 2011 (7:15 am)
How is your new battery working?
Unlike the people who are having problems with the software update, you have a Gen 1 Civic. It has not had this update issued because it is a very different car -no PTZEV mode, no AC during auto-stop, a smaller IMA battery, a lighter car, etc. At 268,000 miles, your battery simply wore out. Most 2003-2005 Civics last 120,000 - 160,000 miles before their batteries die.
#880 of 1532 Re: overnignt dead IMA, 12v batteries [vidar]
Jan 02, 2011 (7:19 am)
Is the problem 100% solved now? Which relay was it?
#881 of 1532 Re: Can I skip the Software update? [rd5418]
Jan 02, 2011 (3:13 pm)
rd5418, I would very much like to hear the particulars of your suit.
#882 of 1532 Re: Can I skip the Software update? [tj09hch]
by PFFlyer@Edmunds HOST
Jan 02, 2011 (3:17 pm)
The forums cannot be used to discuss/organize legal actions so please do not make posts along those lines as they will have to be removed. If you would like to contact another member off of the forums, the best way to do so is to click on the Forum Preferences link on the right side of any forums page, and set your email address to "public". That way other users can click on your user name and find your email address.
#883 of 1532 Re: Can I skip the Software update? [pf_flyer]
Jan 02, 2011 (3:36 pm)
#884 of 1532 Re: Can I skip the Software update? [tj09hch]
by PFFlyer@Edmunds HOST
Jan 02, 2011 (4:04 pm)
No problem... just a reminder of the rules of the road is all!
Hope you had a great New Years!
#885 of 1532 IMA and emmission control failure
Jan 02, 2011 (8:31 pm)
My Insight was delivered in August 2000 and has 121,000 miles.
While driving, my IMA and emission control icons lighted. When this was first noticed the IMA charge indicator was on full charge, the charge assist readouts were/are dark. The charge indicator has remained on full charge without variation while driving. No other indicators are lighted. I have not disconnected the 12v battery or pulled any fuses.
I have driven my Insight at least 150 miles since these things happened. I appear to be obtaining the same satisfactory acceleration that I was obtaining before this happened. My mileage has dropped from 52 mpg to 47 mpg.
With the IMA switch “off” the car would not start.
My local garage coded the car at p1449.
I live up country in Minnesota and need to be able to drive my car. I understand that it if nothing else goes wrong the IC engine should continue to provide power enough for highway driving. Is this correct?
The owner’s manual and web site do not give enough information for me to understand what I need to know about the system(s) of the Insight so that the IMA battery pack can be disconnected and/or removed from the car while continuing to safely start and operate with the IC motor and an electrical system that will serve the accessories as needed. Some other questions that seem important are:
1. Do you need to bypass/remove the IMA battery pack so that you can safely drive the Insight on the IC engine?
2. If yes, how do you bypass or remove the IMA battery pack so that you can safely drive the automobile on the IC engine?
3. The Honda web site says that the IMA motor acts as the starter, generator, and IMA motor. Will the IMA motor continue to start the IC motor if the IMA batteries are disconnected?
4. If not, does the 12 volt battery crank the IMA motor/starter or is the IC engine started by an independent starter?
5. Will the IMA motor continue to generate electricity for the 12 v battery if the IMA battery is disconnected from the system?
6. If not, does the Insight have another house battery-generator system that charges the 12v independently of the IMA motor?
7. What components does the interior fuse box IMA fuse disconnect? Should this be pulled?
8. What components does the exterior fuse box IMA fuse disconnect? Should this be pulled?
9. What components does the IMA ECU fuse disconnect? Same question for the FI ECU? Should either of these be pulled?
10. The car will not start with the IMA switch turned off. Why? What components does the IMA switch disconnect?
11. Does the 12 volt battery always or ever supply electricity to the accessories, lights and other electrically driven items other than the IMA? If so when?
#886 of 1532 Re: overnignt dead IMA, 12v batteries [Ogre_GEV]
Jan 03, 2011 (6:25 pm)
I would say yes, the problem is solved. The relay replaced was for the A/C compressor. It is located under the hood, drivers side, in the fuse and relay box. My mileage is down to 46.5 mpg, which is due to using the window defogger quite a bit this season. Note, I never got the software update that was recommended by Honda. I am going to to a odometer vs. mile marker comparison on the next long interstate run. Since the defogger is run from the A/C in a heat pump mode, finding the problem was a bit of a minor necessity beyond the IMA problem. I currently have 148,000 miles on the car. which is over 10,000 miles since the start of the troubleshooting, and 6,000 miles since the relay was replaced. This may not be the solution to all IMA problems, but for $14 it is a good starting point. To keep people up to date concerning this fix, my car is a 2005 civic hybrid model.
#887 of 1532 Re: IMA and emmission control failure [patk27]
Jan 03, 2011 (11:17 pm)
Please contact me privately to discuss how to disable the faulty IMA battery and bypass it in your 2000 Insight. I'll provide you with instructions on how to do it and also diagnostic steps to find out why the car wouldn't start with the breaker off (it should have).
Before anyone else asks, this can only be done on 2000-2006 Insights, not on Civics or Accords.
#888 of 1532 Re: overnignt dead IMA, 12v batteries [vidar]
Jan 03, 2011 (11:19 pm)
Yes, but which relay? I believe there are two related to the AC in that box. This problem is rare and is not actually related to the IMA system, but I have seen it in three other cars.