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#511 of 1535 Dealer Says IMA Battery is Deteriorating but can't tell me anything else...
Aug 17, 2010 (9:25 pm)
I have a 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid with a manual transmissionthat has been a fine vehicle with 130,000 miles on it. I been everywhere man..so probably around the 120K mile mark I noticed the check engine light came on and stayed on. Now the check engine light had come on before but that was only because the gas cap needed to be screwed on tighter. This time the check engine light came on and the IMA light came on with it. I took the car in at 125K miles for an oil change and got the check engine light checked out.
The dealer told me my IMA battery was deteriorating but that is all they could say. They couldn't tell me how much it had deteriorated or how much life the IMA had left in it. They could tell me that the repair costs $3000 and they had not seen alot of civic hybrids with this issue. That raised concerns immediately and I figured they didn't know what they are talking about.
Now at 130K I have noticed I can't really run my AC while driving because the IMA battery power is zapped. The battery runs out of power quickly. But it still charges up to full accept if the AC is running then the car is very slow and does not have much pickup. I just finished paying the car off and really don't want to spend $3000 to have this repaired by the dealer. Is there a way to find out what percentage of the battery is deteriorated, or if particular battery sticks are worn out and only need replacing, a place online that I can order an IMA battery and have it installed by someone. Also is there a way to install a new IMA battery yourself. My fuel economy is around the same about 42 mpg.
Now this car is 5 years old and it is disappointing that I have to go through this. A hybrid isn't very much a hybrid without the battery now is it. Any help or explanation you all can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
#512 of 1535 Failed 2005 IMA battery
Aug 17, 2010 (10:03 pm)
The dealer should have told you your error codes. You can find them out for free at your local Autozone.
> Is there a way to find out what percentage of the battery is deteriorated,
Not without knowing what code you are getting, but it is likely to be below 10% of it's original capacity based on your description.
> or if particular battery sticks are worn out and only need replacing,
They aren't exactly user serviceable and determining which ones are bad is a major undertaking.
> a place online that I can order an IMA battery and have it installed by someone.
Please contact me privately by email.
> Also is there a way to install a new IMA battery yourself.
Yes, it's easy. Please contact me privately for instructions.
#513 of 1535 Getting the IMA Replaced
Aug 18, 2010 (8:30 am)
After a month of problems, with no IMA light, Honda IS replacing my battery. I have 58,000 miles on my car, and I experience re-cals on my morning & evening commute. My gas milage has gone from the 42-45 range to the 35-38 range.
I hope the new battery fixes my problems. Tips to get Honda to honor their warrenty:
1) if you have been in an unsafe situation due to sudden lose of acceleration, file a complaint with the NHSTA. When you bring your car in to the service center, bring in a copy of your complaint.
2) Keep a journal of everytime you have an issue with the IMA. Mine was about 2 weeks long with daily or twice daily entries.
3) Try their software updates. I don't think they would have gone for the battery replacement had I not done this.
4) Keep up with journal entries after software updates
5) Request that they test the car to tell you the actual capacity of your battery. Tell them thumbs up / thumbs down is not enough when you have all this other evidence. You need a number. THEY CAN DO THIS TEST. It took me leaving my car for 3 days as they tested it at various conditions, like cold start.
After this, I got a new battery, even though they said my battery was still at 30% of original capacity. My theory is that between 30% and my journal entries, they new an arbitrator would not side with them. They may have also realized that my battery was not going to make it 22,000 more miles until the warrent ran out, so why fight it.
I will re-post in a few weeks if the new battery has or has not resolved my issues.
#514 of 1535 Logging MPG
Aug 18, 2010 (9:52 am)
I've been logging my mileage out of curiosity and then out of concern.
2009 Civic hybrid, 50 mile mostly rural per day in SE Pennsylvania.
I average 43 MPG mid winter to 48 mid summer (with AC). My lifetime average is 47 mpg (measured at the pump) since March 2009.
At 26,500 miles and I see no degradation.
#515 of 1535 Re: Getting the IMA Replaced [abg_hybrid]
Aug 18, 2010 (10:18 am)
I am having the exact same experience. However, I am over the milage warranty so I suppose I am on my own. I am not inclined to spend over $3K to fix it. Any suggestions?
#516 of 1535 Re: Getting the IMA Replaced [bossless]
Aug 18, 2010 (12:43 pm)
> I am having the exact same experience. However, I am over the milage warranty so I suppose I am on my own. I am not inclined to spend over $3K to fix it. Any suggestions?
Use google to find someone to repair the battery? It costs far less than a dealer.
#517 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 18, 2010 (1:32 pm)
I wish to thank you for your kind offer. However, I have decided never to return to Honda unless I am 100% sure that the IMA is dead dead. Until then, I will drive the thing until it's about seven years old and then get rid of it. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Once again, thanks.
#518 of 1535 Performance Post-Software Update
Aug 18, 2010 (1:39 pm)
We bought a used 2007 HCH about a week ago and the performance has not been bad. The dealer installed the software update before we took the car. So far, I have only driven it for a 35 mile commute, which is about 20 miles of city driving and 15 miles of highway driving. I get about 38 mpg on average, with better mileage coming in the city. I am generally running the A/C on auto at 74. The IMA battery charge tends to stay between 4 and 6. Once, it went down to 2. And one morning it started low (around 3). Otherwise, it has started at 4 or more. The IMA battery indicates that it is being recharged quite often -- at any traffic light, and any time I let up on the gas. Granted, it has not been stifling hot here, but it was 85 and humid the other day, and performance did not seem to suffer.
In addition, the acceleration has been ok. I find that putting the car in "S" drive mode helps a lot when I get on the highway. If I do that, I have no problem getting up to 60-65 mph quickly.
The price for the car was pretty much the same as what the dealer wanted for a 2007 Civic EX. I figure that, even if the car doesn't get the 45+ mpg people expect, we are still doing pretty well if we get 38 mpg.
#519 of 1535 Re: Performance Post-Software Update [yossarian3]
Aug 18, 2010 (2:06 pm)
I have a 2006 and without trying I get 43 mpg, if i do all highway drive and use the cruise control the car will reach 51 to 52mpg. Between New haven ct and Biddeford Maine and back on 10 gallons exactly.That's over 500 miles. I got rid of the Dunlop tires since for better handling tires on wet and snow and gave up about 3 to 5 mpg but it was worth it.
#520 of 1535 Re: IMA battery warranty. [mabecane]
Aug 19, 2010 (4:27 am)
I answered my own question, I was reading about the 12V battery warranty on my warranty papers from the glove compartment. You'd think they would mention the IMA pack in the document when you buy the car
I found the Honda press release regarding the IMA battery warranty, no mention of pro rates there. So I'm covered for 10 years or 150 k in CT.
I'm not going to sweat it and sit that one out. No update for me unless the pack fails and give me the dreaded IMA light then I'll get them to replace it. It takes two to tango.
Accord Hybrid**, Civic Hybrid**, Insight
* Bumper-To-Bumper Warranty (Years/miles)= 3years, 36,000 miles
* Powertrain Warranty = 5 years, 60,000 miles
* IMA Battery Warranty (Years/miles)= 8 /80,000,
o AT-PZEV**(CA, NY, ME, VT, MA, CT): 10/150,000