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Honda Civic, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Sedan
#466 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [sholmes717]
Aug 12, 2010 (12:14 pm)
> But remove the elec motor & I'm sorry but its dangerous. And the general public would agree, it's simply unsafe.
Nope. Power to weight is measured as lbs/hp (when you compare gas to gas engines). The 2006 HCH is 93 HP and 2877 lbs. That's 31lbs/hp.
That is wimpy, but here are some other production cars that are not considered unsafe:
2006 Honda Civic Hybrid with depleted battery (gas only): 31 lbs/hp
2010 Prius with a depleted battery (gas only): 31 lbs/hp
1990 Land Rover Defender: 33 lbs/hp
(and because someone mentioned it) Ford Model T: 60 lbs/hp
Now try this
2009 Ford Fiesta: 29 lbs/hp
2010 Volvo C30: 27.5 lbs/hp
2008 Honda FCX Clarity: 26 lbs/hp
2006 Hummer H1: 26 lbs/hp
2003 Audi A2: 25 lbs/hp
2006 Honda Civic Hybrid with Assist: 25 lbs/hp
2010 Prius with assist: 23 lbs/hp
So you're saying that a Prius is unsafe, a land rover is unsafe, etc? The HCH has EXACTLY the same performance as a Prius when it's pack is depleted as well. I don't hear Prius owners complaining about their cars being deathtraps. In fact, the Prius has a more powerful electric motor and has a bigger performance drop when it loses battery power so it should be a bigger shock to the user.
> And the general public would agree
Not if they do the math.
> It would seem you might also believe that someone driving 55-60MPH on a highway when people drive 80mph because the speed limit is 70mph, would also be safe because you can drive cautiously enough.
First of all the speed limit around here is 50 in NYC, 55 near populated areas in the northeast and 65 everywhere else (limited access highways and rural areas). Secondly, if you drive the speed limit you will find yourself passing people in the slow lane and accompanied by many others that are going the same speed you are. I do believe that driving at the speed limit while the speeders go by in the fast lane at 10 mph faster is safe (and legal, by the way). And, on a 30 mile trip, it will only cost me (at 70mph) 3 minutes over the 80 mph drivers. At the same time it will probably save me 10% or more in fuel economy.
What's the old addage? "Driving a car at 75 mph is like willing paying $4 a gallon for gas."
> If you still don't "get it", it seems you may live in Montana & maybe haven't driven a HCH without it's elec motor functioning
If you read this thread you'd know that I have experience with both Insights and 2003-2005 Civics with no assist. I have also driven a 2006 with no assist. No, it's a slug to drive, but it isn't severly underpowered. It still moves.
If your driving style dictates that the car is unsafe, then YOU are the unsafe driver and doubly so when the car has full assist.
#467 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [mainiax]
Aug 12, 2010 (12:22 pm)
An occasional recal is normal. Numerous ones per day are not normal. There is at least one instance of someone getting a battery replacement without an IMA light by using videotape to prove the behavior.
If the NTSA thought it was a safety issue, they would force a recall.
#468 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 12, 2010 (1:12 pm)
> I have also driven a 2006 with no assist. No, it's a slug to drive, but it isn't severly underpowered. It still moves.
When I paid roughly $5,000 more for a hybrid Civic than a regular Civic I do not expect to drive a "SLUG" at any time!! It wasn't a slug when I purchased it but it turned into one.
#469 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 12, 2010 (1:48 pm)
LOL. If the NTSA is anything like MMS, they're too busy having sex on the office furniture and snorting drugs on the microwave to care much about our lousy Hondas.
#470 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [mainiax]
Aug 12, 2010 (1:55 pm)
mainiax I agree with you. My 2007 HCH was what I expected when I paid an extra $5000. for elect power assist feature. Now that feature has been severely limited I am also experiencing unexpected loss of power which does place me in very vulnerable driving situations. You don't change your driving habits overnight, nor should you haft to. Bottom line is Honda has just converted our cars into under powered standard Civics without our permission. No matter how you look at it, thats just wrong.
#471 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [grunn320]
Aug 12, 2010 (6:57 pm)
Guys, trade it in! I did at the same Honda dealer where I bought my 06 HCH and got what I consider a fair price.
#472 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [mainiax]
Aug 13, 2010 (3:37 am)
I agree with you. I just disagree with the claims that it is "unsafe".
#473 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [grunn320]
Aug 13, 2010 (3:47 am)
I don't know what the climate is year round where you are, but hopefully the cooler fall weather will bring a little relief when the AC can be shut off. Once the car has less demands on it, the battery charge should stay higher and this behavior will go back to normal - hopefully.
The problem is that if they release another patch to keep it more full, availability of assist will go up, but mpg will drop.
EVIL THOUGHT: you can measure mpg, you can't measure assist availability. Therefore if the mpg goes back up, the mpg drop lawsuits go away...
#475 of 1535 IMA battery warranty.
Aug 13, 2010 (4:17 am)
I read that some of you had your IMA battery replaced or talk about replacing them with the warranty. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it is a limited warranty. Honda prorates the battery depending how old it is. And if you owned the car 7 or 8 years deducting 10% of the cost of installing a new one is no bargain.
I read on the Honda website that some states allow10 years for the warranty, like CA ,CT etc.
I decided not to get the update and wait on the side line, I only have 9000 miles left on the overall warranty of the car, so I hope Honda faces the truth and fix the problem the proper way not patching it. I'm also disappointed with all this, I loved the car, I know now I won't buy another.