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#449 of 1535 Now 350 Miles on July 2010 Software in Las Vegas
Aug 11, 2010 (9:14 am)
My mileage is up at least 3 MPH to 41-42 in Las Vegas summer heat. Prior to the upgrade, mileage was around 38.0. Driving is mostly city with significant stop and go like on East Flamingo in Vegas. Recalls seem to be getting less frequent. Most noticeable lack of assist is above 105F with A/C on auto and set to about 76 deg.
My car is a 2008 Civic with 23000 miles since new.
I do miss the power of my BMW 3 series but I personally think the car is performing like the Hybrid it is. Honda here (Findley) has been providing very good service - replaced glazed brake pads free and steam cleaned the engine compartment free with my recent software upgrade.
I'm still happy with the low fuel costs and low maintenance costs. Would I buy another Hybrid - I'm not sure?
#450 of 1535 Re: 2006-2008 HYBRID OWNERS BEWARE!!!!! [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 11, 2010 (10:41 am)
I'm due to bring my 06 HCH Friday for the update but now I'm getting cold feet after reading about problems some of the owners are getting following the update. I've driven the car mostly on highway, and never noticed any problems with the battery, it seems to charge normally.
My mileage has dropped to 45 mpg since I switched to better riding tires.
I'm interested to know more about the calibration procedure you mentioned in your posting.
Doesn't the computer takes over and override the procedure.
I'm wondering if I should hold on the update and see what happens. My wife did mentioned that the bars dropped down to one once at the traffic stop.
#451 of 1535 135K miles, getting 46mpg
Aug 11, 2010 (2:50 pm)
however, I did get my battery changed at around 130K. They chose to do it and when they did, they gave me the "4 bar mod."
I decided to drive my last tank of gas at the speed limit (or close) and got 46mpg. This is with Yokohama YK520 tires. When I started using these tires, my mileage dropped 2 or 3 mpg.
So if any of you are getting crappy mileage do this:
Try to keep your RPM's between 2000 and 3500 rpm. You get very little acceleration benefit above 3500rpm and it really starts sucking gas...
Of course, AC sucks significant mpg's (my experience is about 3-5mpg).
#452 of 1535 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [targettuning]
Aug 11, 2010 (3:35 pm)
>But, you also seem to be defending the company and the car's obvious defective behavior.
That's where we differ. I don't think it is defective behavior. Due to my work with these cars, I have a great deal of knowlege about what is going on behind the scenes when you see behavior "A" or behavior "B" and it isn't necessarily what you think it is. I do think that Honda is caught between a rock and a hard place here, because the original programming which produced the original feel of the car is now known to be bad for the batteries when used in certain ways. So their only choices are to try to fix the problem (which affects the performance of the car) or leave it alone and have people screaming at them with dead batteries that are just outside of warranty. Let's not kid ourselves - they have plenty of dead batteries inside warranty as well, so they're looking to cut those losses as well.
Still, two people here report that the latest software release seems to be improving mpg and fixing their batteries at the same time, so maybe they've hit on something good.
> I have read post after post after post stating the thing is hopelessly under powered when the assist is gone
Put 5 adults and luggage in your car and it's about the same as a hybrid without assist. With assist, the hybrid is more nimble than yours. You can decide for yourself if that is "hopelessly" underpowered. It IS significantly less and is a real slap in the face, but the car still moves.
> Well it isn't a sports car so don't drive it like one". Sorry, not good enough!
As far as I know, every US owner took a driving test from a state that teaches and encourages defensive driving. Why people should feel that they don't need to continue those practices after getting their licenses is beyond me. The car doesn't stall when it regens, you just have to put your foot down harder. If you were using the entire gas pedal already to make a left turn, then you should really re-evaluate your driving habits. That kind of driving CAUSES accidents, mostly to the poor people coming the other way as they try to avoid the car that is cutting them off.
> I find myself in situations from time to time (and not always through my lack of pre-planning before making a move) where the need for the ability to get out of ones own way is more than useful it is crucial.
I agree, but can't you just stomp on the gas? Any hybrid owner that regularly uses full throttle acceleration (note that I said "regularly") is not getting the benefits of the car that they bought. They are killing their gas mileage.
> So, on this alone the car is dangerous
No, it is not.
> not to mention the frustration
Now that is something that I'm in full agreement with you about. The people here have every right to be angry about the annoyance of the changes in performance. They need to continue to raise hell about it - AFTER they completely understand what is going on, not just in a vauge way. If the latest update results in a loss of power when the car is being driven conservatively (when the battery is more than 4 bars), then they need to make their situations known.
But complaining about lack of assist at 2 bars when the documentation clearly told you that this was what would happen is not constructive and will not get anything accomplished. Perhaps the next release will be better at keeping the battery more full, but that will negatively impact mileage. The software is walking a thin line. There are a range of drivers with a range of styles. Some will fall outside of what the software can do, but if they make it more restrictive, the others (the majority) will be negatively impacted. There are something like 300,000 HCH cars and if all of the drivers were having these problems, it would be front page news across the country.
Lastly, recals are bad. I hate them. Everyone hates them. Frequent recals are usually the sign of an impending failure. They are not, however, a failure. They are an attempt by the car to avert a failure. People don't realize this and assume that the effect is the cause. They are extremely annoying, but dangerous? It might reduce the performance, but it'll still outperform many production econoboxes of today and yesteryear.
It could be far worse. In a 97-99 Prius (international spec) when the car detects a similar problem, it limits the car to 10 miles per hour. THAT would be extremely dangerous if it happened in traffic. In a later model Prius cars, it won't even let you start the car with some failures.
Just my opinion.
Now back to helping anyone who wants it.
#453 of 1535 Re: 2006-2008 HYBRID OWNERS BEWARE!!!!! [grunn320]
Aug 11, 2010 (3:41 pm)
Your gauge before may have showed 20% to 40% while now it is showing 20% to 80%. Same charge, different scale on the gauge. 30% would have showed as 10 bars before while it may now only show 5 bars. The difference is that the car is acting differently at those low bars.
> I'm not very mechanically inclined and not comfortable attempting the recal process myself.
Perhaps a neighbor or a car-saavy person could do it for you.
>I don't know what a radio security code is or what to do with it.
Your radio has an anti-theft feature. When the battery is disconnected (like it would be if the radio was stolen) the radio locks up and will not work until you punch in the correct 5 digit code. This code is unique to your car and should be in your owners manual.
#454 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [mainiax]
Aug 11, 2010 (3:45 pm)
> That may be true but in my opinion the current HCH-II is equivalent to the Model A Ford and with all of us owners of a Honda Civic Hybrid acting as beta testers the hybrids in 2018 may actually be a reliable vehicle but it isn't now.
Okay, but from my experience, the gen 1 cars (2000-2006 Insight, 2003-2005 Civic, 2005-2007 Accord) are extremely reliable. They need battery work every 120,000-160,000 miles on average, but that isn't exactly the end of the world. The catalytic converter lasts about the same amount of time and costs somewhere around the same to fix.
The newer cars are mostly still under warranty, so I can't draw any conclusions - yet.
#455 of 1535 Re: Battery "Recal" Problems [jack000]
Aug 11, 2010 (3:46 pm)
There are three temp sensors, and the battery management computer will not be able to handle any Lithium product. They will NOT work without completely replacing the computer system and nobody has created one that works for this car yet.
#456 of 1535 Re: 2006-2008 HYBRID OWNERS BEWARE!!!!! [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 11, 2010 (4:04 pm)
Thanks again for the info. Where do you enter the 5 digit code to unlock the radio?
#457 of 1535 Re: 2006-2008 HYBRID OWNERS BEWARE!!!!! [grunn320]
Aug 11, 2010 (4:13 pm)
You just punch it in with the radio preset buttons (the number buttons). The radio will ask you for the code if it wants it.
#458 of 1535 Re: 2006-2008 HYBRID OWNERS BEWARE!!!!! [Ogre_GEV]
Aug 11, 2010 (5:15 pm)
Thanks ogre GEV. I take my 2007 hybrid to the dealer again this week(3rd time) per Hondas request to have them road test it. From what I've read here, it may just be a waste of time. Thanks again.