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#426 of 1530 Recent Software Upgrade - Civic Hybrid
Aug 09, 2010 (8:23 am)
I'm coming-up on 300 miles on the very recent upgrade. DEFINITELY better mileage BY 2 TO 4 MPH in Las Vegas HOT summer environment - now getting EPA rated mileage in high temp. environment. Occasional recalls occur but frequency seems to be diminishing. Seems like it was a GOOD upgrade for my car - 2008 Civic Hybrid with 23000 miles. Under full warranty until April 2011.
TDI is interesting to me too. A couple of concerns - I had a new 1978 Schiraco and it was NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS - I mean BIG TIME. A/C, Electrical, valve stem seals and oil consumption. WE HAD TO SELL IT. I still see electrical, transmission, etc. complaints on VW boards and it brings back bad memories. JD Powers and others rates VW's generally around a 5 on reliability - not good compared to Japanese brands. I also called VW on brake jobs - ala BMW - looks like they replace brake rotors instead of machining them - makes for VERY expensive brake jobs.
I might also be interested in the new Civic coming in the summer of 2011 I believe. There's no perfect solution it seems. I think Honda's low maintenance costs can't be beat.
#427 of 1530 Re: Recent Software Upgrade - Civic Hybrid [las2002]
Aug 09, 2010 (9:47 am)
You are correct about overall VW reliability. I "swear by" Consumer Reports & they don't rate VW well either. BUT they are also reporting on the gas engines & not the diesel engines. My father in-law bought a 2008 VW Jetta TDI & puts about 40k a year on it. At almost 100k miles it's been a perfect car. I started to get interested in the TDI & when I went to go look for used diesel VW's, well it's very hard to find a used VW diesel for sale. Yes they simply don't sell as many diesel cars period but I personally believe it's because people who buy them expect to drive them for 20 years. It's just not a car people resell. And I think that speaks very highly to the VW Diesel. And keep in mind that everyone rates the Civic Hybrid very well...and after owning a 2006 & seeing the number of unhappy HCH customers online (this forum alone), well I'm starting to factor other things into the car buying equation like practicality.
Aug 09, 2010 (11:24 am)
I assume that if you have a Civic Hybrid with less than 80K miles, the software update will be installed by a dealer for free, whether or not the car is still in the orginal warranty period. Is that bad assumption?
#429 of 1530 Re: Software Update [yossarian3]
Aug 09, 2010 (12:25 pm)
They did my 06 free at 91K miles.
#430 of 1530 Battery "Recal" Problems
Aug 09, 2010 (3:27 pm)
Hey everyone, I've been having the same problems with my 2009 HCH. First started happening this winter at about 6500 miles. The battery charge would go from almost full (8-9 bars) to virtually zero (1 bar) every other week. Then, this summer, it started happening every 3-4 days, and whenever I had the A/C on. THEN, it started to happen every 100 miles (which made it very predictable).
At that point I took it to the dealer who basically told me that there were no codes in the system but there were 3 software updates, so they installed those and that if I still had the problem, to come back. Of course, I still have the problem so I schedule the appointment for a time where I'm SURE the battery will 'recal.' I take the mechanic for a test drive and he sees the charge drop rapidly and states that it's completely NORMAL. I tell him, yes, but every 100 miles?!? He says, yeah.
About 3 weeks later the IMA light and check engine light come on. Turns out, it was a blown fuse (for the A/C electric drive, #22) so they replace it, and tell me that they checked the current draw on the A/C just to be safe and claimed everything was fine.
Now, EVERY TIME I START THE CAR IT DOES A RECAL. This is beyond annoying and I'm starting to see drops of about 3 mpg because of this problem.
I'm thinking that Honda knows that their NiMH cells are prone to premature failure and will not do anything to fix the issue. Since the dealer won't replace the battery without one of those stupid DTCs, regardless of any problems I'm having, I'm thinking of doing it myself with some Headway LiFePO4 cells. They're half the price of Honda's pack, have MORE storage capacity in the same volume, are HALF the weight, and are nearly 100% charge efficient (NiMHs are 66.6% charge efficient). However, the car is a lease and I really don't see why I should invest in new batteries.
Aug 09, 2010 (6:08 pm)
I also have another weird problem. Sometimes, when I apply the brakes, the car goes from regen to assist and lurches forward. This is VERY Dangerous since I sometimes get into traffic and will therefor have little distance between me and the car in front. I saw this same complaint on the NHTSA website. I also filed a complaint for the recal problem.
#432 of 1530 Re: Battery "Recal" Problems [jack000]
Aug 09, 2010 (6:16 pm)
I am third week into the software updates and still losing IMA every time I drive. Highway driving seems to bring the charge up to 4-5 bars, but then back down to 2 not long afterward. I have had some close calls the last few days when accelerating without assist.
Today the I drove 30 miles to work, trying to charge whenever possible. Parked at 11:00am with 6 bars. Got in the car at 7:00 pm to go home and had 2 bars with no assist.
ALSO, my current average MPG has dropped to 37.
I had hoped to drive this car for 10 years! But if it needs a $4500 battery every 2 years.....well...forget it!
#433 of 1530 Re: Battery "Recal" Problems [motorcarshybrd]
Aug 10, 2010 (7:21 am)
If you need a new pack, try rebuilding it with the Headway cells that I mentioned. You can get them from EVcomponents for $19/cell. In order to access the battery, you need to remove the entire rear seat (which is probably why the technicians are very reluctant to service hybrids properly). You'll need 50 headway cells in series. You can go for the regular cells at 10AH. Total cost without shipping: $950!!!. If you need any help I have the service manual for the 06-09 HCH.
#434 of 1530 Re: Battery "Recal" Problems [jack000]
Aug 10, 2010 (10:45 am)
So where have you gotten a BMS computer to use with these lithium cells? 2006+ Civics are expecting 132 NiMH cells in 11 packs of 12 cells each. In order to switch to lithium, you would have to replace the MDM with a custom one that could interface to the stock ECM. The stock computer can't charge or balance lithium batteries.
For that matter, how are you welding the cells together? Solder will flow at the 100 amp draw that is 20 bars of assist so they have to be welded.
#435 of 1530 Re: Heat Related IMA Problems/Solutions [mainiax]
Aug 10, 2010 (10:49 am)
> Do you consider recals resulting in no assist a safety issue?
No I do not. No more than when you deplete the battery while climbing a long hill.
Inconvenient and annoying, yes. Unsafe, no. The car's engine has more than enough power to run without the 10 hp of IMA assist.