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You are in the Honda Civic Hybrid
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Honda Civic, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Sedan
#351 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [mainiax]
Jul 22, 2010 (3:40 pm)
>but then the SoC began dropping rapidly from a good charge to 1 or 2 bars. It would recover after 2 to 3 miles of driving
It takes about two-three minutes to complete a recal (a little longer if you're pushing the engine). That is probably equal to your 2 to 3 miles of driving.
>Until stored DTC can be pulled indicating IMA battery needs replacing no replacement authorized by Honda at this time
Right. That's what I was saying. Often times, it does improve, so they don't take any action until it actually fails. Of course their definition of "fail" is probably different than yours. They're trying to avoid an expensive warranty repair if they can (just like any company).
>The Honda reps made verbal statements such as the IMA function was well within the remaining useful life of that system but did not back anything up with evidence.
That is based on the fact that the car will throw a P0A7F error code when it drops below 10% of original capacity and light the IMA light. Since you had no light or DTC's, it hadn't reached that point, so they consider it to be within the useful life. The problem that you are experiencing is the recals messing up your driving, not the reduced battery capacity.
As to the 3/36 warranty, I'm not sure you aren't covered by a federal 8/80 warranty for the battery. I'm really only familiar with the Insights and the 2003-2005 Civics, but if the IMA system is classified as emissions related then federal warranties kick in (like the 8/80 on the catalytic converters).
I'd like to reiterate that I do not work for Honda or represent them in any way. I'm just explaining what is going on technology-wise which is more than a dealer will tell you. Honda (and Toyota) are in a tough situation because some owners have massive problem with their cars (like you are) and others drive 150,000-200,000 miles before they have any battery problems. The problem is that they can't afford to replace all the batteries, especially when a good percentage of them will respond well to the new software (which makes the car recondition the battery).
Toyota goes as far as saying that their batteries don't die at all. This is news to my counterparts in the Prius world who have to deal with all of this AND batteries leaking acid and corroding things as well.
You aren't the first to get an IMA replacement with only recals, but it's fairly rare. Congratulations! Is the new pack behaving better?
#352 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [mainiax]
Jul 22, 2010 (3:43 pm)
> Iím not sure but I think the following documentation I had from my dealer was one of the key factors in my case.
Actually, in another case, the owner submitted video footage of the recals to prove that the car was having problems. That might be a good solution for those here having frequent recals.
Just be careful not to have an accident while you're filming.
#353 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [Ogre_GEV]
Jul 22, 2010 (5:10 pm)
Honda did not replace the IMA. I went through a Better Business Bureau Arbitration Hearing and the decision of this hearing was that my car is a Lemon under the Lemon Law rules and Honda was ordered to REPURCHASE my vehicle.I really lucked out!!
#354 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [danielr]
Jul 23, 2010 (10:31 am)
Service Manager just call and said there is a brand new Honda Service bulletin dated today for a software update for 06-08 Civic Hybrids that is supposed to address my problem. I am a bit skeptical given I believe that the underlying problem is battery capacity related, but I'll give them this last chance to resolve before going to defcon 5...
They are going to call me when they have downloaded the software into their Honda Diagnostic System and are ready to perform the update.
#355 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [danielr]
Jul 23, 2010 (11:28 am)
Thanks for posting...and I'll look forward to what you find out. It would be particularly good to have a copy of that service bulletin, or know where to go to download it, if you get that information.
#356 of 1535 Re: Sudden discharge of IMA battery [danielr]
Jul 24, 2010 (9:02 am)
Certainly hope this resolves the issue, can't wait to find out... good luck!
#357 of 1535 Honda can F off, I beat them up
Jul 24, 2010 (10:06 am)
I won't bore you with my story as it is the same as most. I purchased a new Honda Hybrid civic and after getting 55 mpg for the first 25K miles, it went down to 27 MPGs after the first service call.
Yeah, I heard the excuses from Honda and the dealer... I drove too fast, had too much stuff in the trunk, used the wrong gas... everything but admit the product is faulty.
Well, I brought them to a BBB hearing under the lemon law and they were amazing unprepared. It cost nothing to do this and you don't need an attorney. The BBB is now getting used to hearing about Honda and these problems so it is a really even playing field.
I say all you file your BBB claim now and really push Honda over the edge, or you can drive naked, with the wind at your back being towed by a semi... I think that method gets good MPGs as well.
#358 of 1535 Another One
Jul 24, 2010 (2:28 pm)
2006 with 71500 mi. Recently started losing motor support, battery quickly dropping too. Went to the dealer and got the software patch. Now the battery indicator hovers around 4 bars as opposed to one. The "fix" also seems to give me a short burst of motor assist then nothing.
Now I consider this a full blown defect, We need the motor to power the car, the engine is simply too small. This is not the car which I purchased and had great performance for 70K miles. This is borderline unsafe to drive.
Will be headed back to the dealer this week. I expect to hear much of the same as others. But need to start there then kick it up.
#359 of 1535 Re: Another One [pmz]
Jul 24, 2010 (6:57 pm)
I posted a couple of days ago about my 2009 HCH with 17,000 miles. I just discovered that my car also keep the charge around 4-5 bars all the time even with extensive driving (in the past it would become fully charged for sure). It also provided short burst of power assist at times, or no assist at all. I cannot tell in what situation did it provide the power assist since it appeared to be random. I did a software update on 06/30/10 after the state of charge dropped to Zero. It happened again on 07/22/10 and after that I start to loose the power assist with the car.
My car is black and I park my car outside. The temperature in DC area is extremely hot this summer. I wonder if the battery was damaged by the heat (The owners manual stated the IMA battery will be damaged if the temperature is above 65 Celsius Degree).
#360 of 1535 Re: Another One [pmz]
Jul 25, 2010 (7:51 am)
Welcome to the club. You've been cornholed. You'll see.