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#281 of 1535 Re: 04 HCH with IMA issues [xiabelle]
Feb 19, 2010 (9:15 am)
> My husband has a 2004 HCH with about 86000 miles on it. Over the summer, he
> brought the car in because the IMA light came on and the battery started draining
> while he was just sitting at a light. By the time we got to take it to the dealer, the
> light was off, and it didn't throw an error code so they told us it was a fluke.
It is unusual for an IMA light to illuminate without a code. To have one illuminate combined with an observed battery event (the negative recal that you saw as the gauge dropped) falls under the category of "dealer lied to you", or your 12V battery was disconnected in the interim which would clear the codes.
> Last week, he went out to start the car and it was completely dead. We had to
> jump it. No problem... then a few days later it started up with the IMA light
> again. After three days of it going off and on it started draining the battery again,
> so we took it to the dealer (again) on the 15th. This time we got a P1649 error
I'll bet you got a P1449. P1649 is an ABS error or a wiring problem to the ABS. They would have simply fixed it.
> and they told us we needed the part replaced -- $3700.
A P1449 would indicate that the battery module needs replacement or repair.
Your warranty ran out at 84,000 miles and Honda "Goodwill" will give you a half-price repair up to 88,000 if you beg and plead and they check with the regional manager.
In most areas of the country, the battery costs about $3000. $3700 is price-gouging. If you're in Los Angeles, then you'll find all of the dealers around want $4000 and none can explain why they cost more than the mid-west, northwest or east. They often claim that shipping is the reason, though the batteries are shipped from southern California.
You can get it repaired for less than the $1850 "goodwill" price.
> However, they also told us we could just turn the IMA off and drive the car, if we
> didn't want to fix it.
I'd really like to know how. It is possible in 2000-2006 Insights, but I'm not aware of a way to get Civics to do it.
> This afternoon, he had to get it jumped AGAIN because the starter battery died.
> (They replaced his battery relatively recently, too.)
If the battery symbol is illuminated on the dash, then you cannot drive the car until you replace, repair or bypass the battery. The car does not have an alternator, and a battery cell is overheating, so the car is shutting down the entire system (for safety) and that means it is not charging the 12V battery.
Contact me if the dealer gives you the runaround and I'll arm you with the service bulletins.
#282 of 1535 Re: IMA problems, and check engine light [Ogre_GEV]
Feb 19, 2010 (4:09 pm)
Cold here in Southern California is 50 degrees, it has been 55-60 degrees when I leave for work and I continue to hear that good ole $26k starter motor that could have heard in a regular Civic for much less money.
#283 of 1535 Re: 04 HCH with IMA issues [Ogre_GEV]
Feb 26, 2010 (10:19 pm)
Thanks for all the insight, that is very helpful!
The P1649 error is what is written on the paperwork we got from the dealer when we took it back. (They're charging 3000 for the battery and another 400-500 for the labor.. I'm not sure where the extra money in the total came from yet, since I just noticed that discrepancy. We're in Houston FWIW) I know I questioned the ABS error and they told us it all worked together.
But yeah, my husband switched off the IMA assist, I think -- he hit some button, he said. But he still sees the battery charging when he hits the brakes, so I don't know I believe it's actually off. It's strange. Not my car, so I've only driven it a handful of times.
We're going to take the car somewhere else to get the starter battery checked as well and if it's bad we'll get the dealer to replace is since it was new in October. I don't remember the battery light being on, but it doesn't seem to be holding a charge. It's been dead two days in a row now.
I'm still waiting for Honda USA to get back to me, and they're waiting for the dealer's manager to get back to them as of today. I did see something about service bulletins while researching and asked a different dealer's service department about it, and they said there weren't any that applied to our VIN.
If we can get a goodwill price we may be willing to do it, although this all certainly couldn't have come at a worse time with everything else going on. I'll update more when I hear back from Honda.
#284 of 1535 Honda Civic Hybrid 2004 Car not starting
Feb 26, 2010 (11:43 pm)
Serious problems with IMA light and car shutting down and not
wanting to start. This began at 80,000 miles.I have a good dealership who has replaced free the batteries front and back. Honda mgr in charge of area Hondas was the most effective person in assisting me. They wanted to put a part in the starter motor/IMA for $1400. However I balked and they rebuilt it for free, Always go to the manager of service
at the dealership as no-one else understands the system. I have
found calling Honda at corporate ineffective as all they do is call
the dealership and give you some trite answer which does not
solve your problem. My IMA light still goes on and off and the
car does not start from time to time. I jump start it and it goes.
Honda has a worse problem than Toyota as we never know when
the Honda Hybrid will shut down. The system IMA is defective and it
should be a recall. I expected to get 200,000 miles at least on this car.
I now know I won't and it is very unsafe for me.
#285 of 1535 Re: 04 HCH with IMA issues [xiabelle]
Feb 26, 2010 (11:42 pm)
The battteries should be replaced free as there have been a problem.
Also, check with your honda parts dept. on guarntees of IMA and batteries.
#286 of 1535 Re: Honda Civic Hybrid 2004 Car not starting [doctorjoleen]
Mar 01, 2010 (11:13 am)
> My IMA light still goes on and off and the car does not start from time to time. I
> jump start it and it goes.
Why don't you get your codes read and we'll try to help you with it. You can use the tester at Autozone for free.
> The system IMA is defective and it should be a recall.
Actually, it's probably just broken and should be fixed. If your IMA light is coming on, then something is wrong. That something is probably causing your dead batteries. The odds are very good that you will pull a P1449 with the scanner.
#287 of 1535 Re: 04 HCH with IMA issues [xiabelle]
Mar 03, 2010 (10:26 am)
I have a 2009 Civic Hybrid. I will have owned it one year in April. In November the IMA light went on and I took it to the dealer who said it needed a computer upgrade. It just went on again - after a month of cold and very snowy temperatures. Now I need a new battery. Not sure where the error code is seen - I didn't ask the dealer about that. Fortunately for me it is still covered by the warranty. If this car starts needing jumps to be started - it will be sold. Honda's have always been very dependable. I hope this doesn't change.
#288 of 1535 RE: 04 HCH with IMA issues (xiabelle) by sm4
Mar 03, 2010 (10:53 am)
Please keep the group posted on whether or not Honda will give you a new battery based on the fact that the IMA light went on twice. Is the car running?
#289 of 1535 RE: 04 HCH with IMA issues (xiabelle) by sm4 [dwa2]
Mar 03, 2010 (1:07 pm)
Same story over and over
I had the same problem with my 09 HCH. Battery has been replaced - under warranty. Have driven another 3000 with no probs so far except a loss of mpg of about 8mpg from when it was brand new.
#290 of 1535 Re: 04 HCH with IMA issues [sm4]
Mar 03, 2010 (4:36 pm)
Exactly same situation here. Like other Civic Hybrid owners we have been royally screwed by Honda.
To sum it up:
I think we all experience great gas mileage when the car was new. Then we all have IMA problems. Then Honda updates the software. Then IMA problems again which leads to new battery.
Problem is mileage has decreased and battery maintains less of a charge (6 bars). In my case, if I drive up any hill for a mile the battery will plummet and the gas engine takes over completely, then the engine screams and begs to be shot. At least mine does.
Way to go Honda.