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Honda Civic Hybrid IMA Problems

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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [shonda3] by Ogre_GEV
Sep 10, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: shonda3 (Sep 08, 2009 12:29 pm)

Relax. The "crashes" are recals. Your battery is failing, but is not yet dead. When it gets bad enough, the car will light the IMA light and then they will replace the battery under warranty. At this point, the car is attempting to adjust for the deteriorating battery and the recals ("crashes") are it testing the capacity of the battery. While it tests it, there is no IMA available, so you have reduced power.
 
The fact that you consider the car a "menace on the road" when assist is not available suggests that you drive with a very heavy foot and that your driving style may be hastening the battery's death. A light touch will give you significantly better mileage. I've managed 63 in a MT 2003 HCH and 86 in a MT 2001 Insight.
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [Ogre_GEV] by shonda3
Sep 11, 2009 (4:01 am)
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Replying to: Ogre_GEV (Sep 10, 2009 12:27 pm)

I do not drive with a heavy foot. I used to get 46-48 MPG. I drive the same way I always did. This car is dangerous when the battery crashes. Yet American Honda takes a litigational stand and deny a problem even though they have attempted remedial steps with their computer patches. Why do they need patches? My car is not on the internet and has no viruses. The computers are self-contained. You are right. The batteries are disintegrating and American Honda refuses to admit this simple fact. Fact: these batteries are not on any recall list that I have seen. They ought to be. And as for the warranty, you should read it. It is virtually worthless since they only pay a portion of the repair as time goes by. They are running the clock on an unsuspecting public. If you're thinking of buying one, DON'T!
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [shonda3] by ebauman
Sep 11, 2009 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: shonda3 (Sep 11, 2009 4:01 am)

You bring up a good point.
 
What are the actual terms on the warranty of the HCH IMA battery? They advertise 8 years and 100k miles. But does this mean what we would like it to mean?
 
I've looked online and can't find the warranty terms. Does anyone here know what they are?
 
Evan
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [shonda3] by Ogre_GEV
Sep 11, 2009 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: shonda3 (Sep 11, 2009 4:01 am)

Why is the car "dangerous" when the battery crashes? You lose about 10 HP and 20 lb/ft of torque. The engine is still quite capable of driving the car without the hybrid battery.
 
Patches = software updates to try to improve the performance of the car or improve the life of the battery.
 
My point is that your battery is deteriorating, but not yet deteriorated. As it stands, the car is resetting itself to the battery and determining that it is still usable. When it gets to a point that it isn't usable, the car will light the IMA indicator and Honda will fix the problem. At this point it ain't broke, so they won't fix it. ALL batteries deteriorate and the car is designed to compensate for this. The problem is that yours is doing it rather quickly.
 
If you are near 80,000 miles, then please let me know and I'll give you tips on how to preserve your warranty rights, but otherwise, just sit back and wait for it to fail. When the recals get to several a day, you are usually very close to a P1433 or P1447 error.
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [ebauman] by Ogre_GEV
Sep 11, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: ebauman (Sep 11, 2009 4:32 am)

I'm not sure about the 06 and up cars, but 03-05 have 8/80 on the battery (not 8/100). Insights have 10/150 and all 02-04 Honda cars have 5% extra added to the warranty mileage because of an odometer discrepancy lawsuit.
 
If you get an IMA light and a battery-subsystem related error code, they will cover it. Dealers may be clueless about it but a call to Honda straightens them out.
 
Beyond warranty, Honda will offer "goodwill" (1/2 price) for 5% of the mileage (for example to 84,000 miles). Beyond that you are stuck with a $3000 bill for a new battery or you can have it rebuilt by a third-party rebuilder.
 
In my experience, the average battery lasts 7 years and 120,000 miles. I've seen lows of around 20,000 miles and highs of 297,000 miles.
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [cdubya1] by gibraltarla
Sep 17, 2009 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: cdubya1 (Sep 09, 2009 1:03 pm)

Nublett,
I'm experiencing a similar problem with my 06 Hybrid. Did you take your car to Long Beach Honda on Spring Street (Signal Hill)?
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Re: Duplicate IMA Malfunction On Demand? [gibraltarla] by rosie2006
Sep 17, 2009 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: gibraltarla (Sep 17, 2009 6:48 am)

cdubya1,
I have had 2 test drives with the honda rep (Barry Chandler), I was taking my 06 civic hybrid to the Elk Grove, CA dealer. I also drove an 09 which already had the updated software on it, drove as bad as mine. Mine was great until the updates (there are 3 associated with 1 update number). Now that the OE tires are back on the vehicle, my mileage went back up to 40-42 mpg. But the car has no performance when the outside weather is warm - hot, the battery discharges, no assist from the IMA. Honda is saying that the battery is performing as designed, when asked why they needed to adjust the temperature to shut down the IMA with the software updates, at a lesser degree he agreed that it was because they were burning out. I guess my next step is to research this with the BAR and maybe the media. This is a safety issue that Honda is not addressing.
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [Ogre_GEV] by rchertzy
Sep 17, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: Ogre_GEV (Sep 11, 2009 2:49 pm)

"If you are near 80,000 miles, then please let me know and I'll give you tips on how to preserve your warranty rights, but otherwise, just sit back and wait for it to fail. When the recals get to several a day, you are usually very close to a P1433 or P1447 error."
Our 2003 HCH is just past 80,000 miles (near 84K) and the IMA light is now on. Honda dealer says it is the IMA module, not the battery pack, and wants around 2K for replacement. But he is checking to see if being so close to warrantee will let them cover the repair. That attitude is encouraging, so maybe Honda America is finally getting the message. I will let you know what the dealer decides.
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Re: Honda Civic IMA problems [rchertzy] by grandtotal
Sep 17, 2009 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: rchertzy (Sep 17, 2009 9:44 am)

Is your vehicle one of the vehicles covered by the "Honda odometer over-reading by 7% issue"? If so you may actually be covered up to an indicated 85,600 miles.
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2003 HCH doing just fine by texastan
Sep 18, 2009 (3:06 pm)
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After reading a lot of posts about the HCH I would like to report that my 2003 has never had a problem. I have put 115,000 miles on the car. The IMA indicator has never come on and the "check engine light" only comes on when scheduled service is required.
 
From what I have read here I am a very lucky man.

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