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#1087 of 1532 Prices on Civic Hybrid Sky High
May 27, 2011 (10:08 am)
Hello, all. I know a lot of you have had issues with the HCH II. I bought mine about 6 months ago at a rock bottom price when dealers were lousy with hybrids. I thought the HCH II was an "okay" car. It got fairly good mileage, but not as well as advertised. The IMA system was kind of a pain, and distracting. It was prone to suddenly "dump" charges a couple of times a week, so you would have to drive like a granny to get the charge back up. It road rough as a buckboard on our bad Midwestern streets. Recently I noticed that with gas up over $4 the prices of these things had jumped by $2 to $3k at the retail/wholesale. I took the opportunity and traded my HCH II in on a late model V6 SUV. (I don't drive that much so the gas won't kill me. Basically buy low and sell high, as it were). I paid about $13.5k for my 2008 HCH in December and received $15.5k on trade. Not a bad deal. If you are sick of the hassle of the IMA system and Honda, you may want to consider trading or selling your car while gas is still north of $3.75. As gas prices come down, so will the value of the various hybrid models. Best of luck to you all.
#1088 of 1532 Re: Prices on Civic Hybrid Sky High [bobbichen]
May 27, 2011 (10:19 am)
I sold mine also. Unfortunately, I wanted a Subaru SUV because they only sell PZEVs here and knew if I waited the prices on them were going to go sky-high also or they would not be available. I also wanted to trade it in before too many people heard about the issues and the value went down. Got enough for my 2007 to drive the SUV for three years for free, and got some money back. I was afraid to drive my car anymore. I am getting about 2/3 of the mileage in the SUV of the hybrid - for $30-40 more a month it was worth it to know when I press the gas pedal the car will actually move, not stall or have no pickup. I wanted to keep my car but was pretty sure I was going to be killed in it because of the pickup and stalling issues.
#1089 of 1532 Re: How to FIX the IMA problem (at your own risk) [Ogre_GEV]
May 31, 2011 (7:11 am)
I had the fan running at full blast with a separate 12v power supply.
I had done several cycles on it... the first one was the 24 hour cycle and just a few 8-12 hour overnight cycles after that.
I have an '09, and the charger was delivering ~210 volts.
After a few weeks of driving, IMA light went on and then went off.
I took all my charging stuff out of the battery compartment, and brought it in.
There was a battery degradation code and an internal short code. They ordered and installed a new battery for me and the new pack performs spectacularly. MPG has increased from 45 to 53!
No 'recals' every morning and I've had the new pack for more than a week.
Also, the dealer told me the new battery was 'improved' over the old one but that's all he knew. Does anyone know what changes and improvements were made to the pack?
My guess is they went with a different NiMH cell that can withstand higher temps and doesn't get imbalanced as easily.
#1090 of 1532 Re: How to FIX the IMA problem (at your own risk) [jack000]
May 31, 2011 (9:33 pm)
The codes were left over from before you charged it.
My best guess on "improved" is that they have finally run out of their stockpile of Sanyo cells and have switched suppliers. Panasonic/Sanyo sold off their NiMH division a couple years ago. I've known about the changed chemistry for a while, but yours is the first I've run across.
#1091 of 1532 2006 civic hybrid
Jun 04, 2011 (6:11 pm)
Went thru the things you guys went thru with Honda, but did not complain much......what the hell few less miles per gallon etc................but on Sunday May 29th as my wife and I were traveling to the gulf coast cruising along about 65 miles an hour on I-10..........car just shuts off......am lucky I'm a right lane driver.........no vehicles around.......it was daytime.....etc..... got to side of highway......car started right up! We are now looking to trade.........honda sales mgr. told my wife she convinced herself there is a problem! Looks like we can't deal with honda, so would like any info on who I can contact to take this to step #2.........my email address is cccl98 yahoo.com.......
#1092 of 1532 Re: 2006 civic hybrid [lunita]
Jun 05, 2011 (3:38 am)
A failure of the battery can't cause the car to shut off especially at highway speeds. It could cause it not to restart from auto-stop, or if it stops charging the 12V battery it could die on you, but you would have noticed the alternator light on for 20 miles and at the end the dash would go crazy winking on and off and the car would stumble like it had run out of gas.
It can't just die. I think something else happened and you are attributing it to the battery because you know there is something wrong with it.
Even with a total instantaneous failure of the entire IMA electronics system, the gas engine would not shut down like that.
#1094 of 1532 Re: 2006 civic hybrid [lunita]
Jun 06, 2011 (3:01 am)
The DC converter is probably the culprit, there was a recall about a couple months ago for the 2006 model. In some cases the fuses get blown and some of the components stops working and you can get stranded with the engine quitting on you. I had mine replaced free of charge. I also made sure that the IMA patch was not installed on my 06. I still get 45mpg around town and over 50 on long highway rides.
#1095 of 1532 Re: 2006 civic hybrid [mabecane]
Jun 06, 2011 (5:18 am)
Again, that would result in a lit alternator light and the dash would go crazy reinitializing before it died.
A sudden failure would point to some kind of hiccup in the ignition system such as the ECM activating the immobilizer circuit.
Definitely a problem, but not caused by the battery.
#1096 of 1532 Re: 2006 civic hybrid [Ogre_GEV]
Jun 17, 2011 (6:01 pm)
Hello all, I've read most of the posts in this thread and I find my self in the same position as others here. I purchased new in early 06 an 06 HCH. It has been a good car except now the IMA battery is showing the common signs of deterioration.
. No warning lights yet but I don't think I'm far from that. I called the Honda dealer who is 75 miles from me and ask if I could bring the car in to have the IMA battery checked I just wanted to know its condition. They said sure bring it in and we can test it and let you know its status. I got there and I told the guy that I did not want any software updates done to the car.he said ok no problem and I signed a paper stating no software updates. The guy excuses him self to go and talk to the tech who will be doing the work and comes back in a few minutes and tells me that the battery cannot even be checked without the software updates being done. Well I'm p.oed about this but I keep my cool and explain why I don't want the updates. The guy then calls someone named Chris who is the guy that the service managers go to with questions in this area. After their conversation the assistant service manager tells me that this is policy and there is no getting around it. I let this guy know that I have made a 150 mile trip that wasted not only my gas but also my time. All I got from him was an I'm sorry.
Well that is the background on my encounter with Honda service. I've pretty much washed my hands of them. As far as Im concerned even though they say on paper they warranty their batteries the reality is they don't or at best only on special occasions.
I make my living with electronics and the idea that keeps coming to me is why don't I rebuild the battery pack myself. The beauty of this is that the connectivity to provide for grid charging and balancing of the pack can be built in during the rebuild. There are a few web sites that talk about the Insight battery but virtually none on the HCH II. A guy on one of the insight forums talked about doing a step by step on his HCH II battery but so far has not. These guys http://www.hybrid-battery-repair.com/ will rebuild a gen 1 HCH but they don't mention the gen II. I've Googled for the procedure to remove the battery from the car but came up empty( I know its behind the back seat). Is there a master shut off switch like the Insight has? If I'm going to do this I want to do it safely and correctly. At this point it may be best to buy a service manual for the car. Has any Electronically savvy owner attempted this and been successful? Inquiring minds would like to know.