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2008 the year of the factory performance sedans

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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [s550iwish] by stevecebu
Jul 12, 2007 (1:04 am)
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Replying to: s550iwish (Jul 11, 2007 11:51 pm)

I was thinking the same thing how could it be 40k. The 2006 is like 27k or something not 40k.
 
I looked up the 2006 EVO IX on the Mitsu website and if you get the high end model it'll run you 36 large!
Yes you can get other versions for much cheaper. The new one no one knows but to get all the fancy stuff on it is going to cost. I still think a BMW is a better bet. The EVO X will have a lot going for it but resale? won't be good because everyone will think you beat the snot out of it. Don't believe me? Go into a forum where they talk about used EVO' and STi's. Number one concern is how do I know it wasn't thrashed.
BMW's don't have that rep, except for the M models.
ut to the other guy, yeah a BMW at $41K will not be loaded but it will have 300HP. The EVO will have less.
I find it tough to justify spending big $$$ on a car when i end up wanting a new one in about 3 years.
Rumors were floating around a bout a future WRX diesel! But I find that tough to believe. subaru pulled the LSD out of the 2008 WRX and put in smaller brakes as well. But uglied up the body and cut out the cargo space and gave it a better interior supposedly.
The new EVO is a great looking car. I might consider the Ralliart version if one comes out by the time I need to actually buy a car.
Also expect dealers to way overcharge on the EVO's when they come out. $50K at the dealership would not surprise me. BMW's you can get a discount and the new BMW 135i just might be as amazing as it sounds. No AWD tho.
Cheapest EVO you could buy in 2006 was $29,149. That's MSRP. Here is the link so you can check for yourself.
http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/index.do
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [stevecebu] by tcrawley1
Jul 12, 2007 (8:05 am)
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Replying to: stevecebu (Jul 12, 2007 1:04 am)

I agree if your looking for a vehicle to tell non auto enthusiast and enthusiast you have pick the BMW all day. I use to sell Evos and every week someone was coming in driving all types of vehicles from 911 turbos to R32s trying to trade or just buy one and the ones who were able to buy bought. The only complaint that everybody had was the econocar interior, actually I didn't even like it but for that amount of performance I accepted it. Mitsubishi has fixed the interior and added AYC this Evo will set a new benchmark for sportcompacts. The 135i has gained my interest, because it has that wonderful I-6TT in it that vishnuperformance can unlock from 360-380hp from through a stage1 upgrade. I know got off my point for a moment, have you driven either the BMW or the Evo or are you going by stats and pictures? I would like to know so we can continue this discussion.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [stevecebu] by tcrawley1
Jul 12, 2007 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: stevecebu (Jul 12, 2007 1:04 am)

My answer to the resale question is with any hi performance vehicle people are scared of who drove it last. The BMW will hold its value for the first 8yrs after that I think the Evo being an icon will win in the long run just look 3000GT VR4s,Supras, and 3rd gen Rx7s pricing. To answer the want question, its part of being car crazy and always wanting something faster or more luxurious then you have the outside influences ie significant others and career. I miss my Evo everyday but due to job change and not having a 4 car garage it had to go, so it usually not the cars fault we are so short committment based. Why do you think BMW has leasing on the 335i?
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [tcrawley1] by eldaino
Jul 12, 2007 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: tcrawley1 (Jul 12, 2007 8:05 am)

from 911 turbos to R32s trying to trade or just buy one and the ones who were able to buy bought
 
blashpemy! who on earth would do such a thing. (must have been hard going from the luxo r32 to the econo evo.)
 
i'd still take a newer r32 over it, i like the image and interior subtle exterior styling better. plus, even in its limited run, its still going to be cheaper with a nicer interior, even though mitsu has raised its standards a little bit.
 
i know its not the same performance, but to me its better balanced.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [eldaino] by tcrawley1
Jul 12, 2007 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Jul 12, 2007 9:45 am)

I'm sorry I hit a nerve, some people buy vehicles for performance not looks or comfort. I am one of those people, but when I can get a high performance vehicle with;5yr60k bumper to bumper warranty,10yr100k powertrain, and roadside assistance for under $36k that even throws some practicality in there where do you go wrong. If your European biased you won't get not bringing your car in for repairs. I just speaking from experience, besides the new R32 cost like mid $30ks I read.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [tcrawley1] by stevecebu
Jul 12, 2007 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: tcrawley1 (Jul 12, 2007 8:05 am)

I agree if your looking for a vehicle to tell non auto enthusiast and enthusiast you have pick the BMW all day. I use to sell Evos and every week someone was coming in driving all types of vehicles from 911 turbos to R32s trying to trade or just buy one and the ones who were able to buy bought. The only complaint that everybody had was the econocar interior, actually I didn't even like it but for that amount of performance I accepted it. Mitsubishi has fixed the interior and added AYC this Evo will set a new benchmark for sport compacts. The 135i has gained my interest, because it has that wonderful I-6TT in it that vishnuperformance can unlock from 360-380hp from through a stage1 upgrade. I know got off my point for a moment, have you driven either the BMW or the Evo or are you going by stats and pictures? I would like to know so we can continue this discussion.
 
When the EVO came out no test drives allowed and I drove the STI but opted for the WRX instead. I had that for a while and then moved out of the US and have been gone since 2003. Now I have driven the BMW 1 series The 120i Sport it's the best they have here and it's the 4 door hatch. The 130i isn't sold here and is grey market. I drove an older EVO IV but it was pretty used and thrashy also a grey market. The Mitsu dealerships where I use to live had huge ADM on the EVO's with NO test drives allowed buy it then drive it. I never buy a car I can't drive and the STi was pretty good but the WRX seemed pretty good to me as was a lot less. I owned a Porsche 968 and nothing was as smooth as that 160 mph no problem and very stable. But anyway you must have been a great car salesman to afford an EVO! Have you driven a 1 series BMW yet?
If you don't live in the US possibly but only BMW guys and Magazines have driven the US model.
Mitsu probably lost a sale but from my experience with Mitsu sales and dealerships they tend to not care about their customers. I know as I've owned Mitsubishi's before as have friends.
So are you going off stats and pics of the BMW or have you actually driven one?
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [tcrawley1] by stevecebu
Jul 12, 2007 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: tcrawley1 (Jul 12, 2007 8:23 am)

My answer to the resale question is with any hi performance vehicle people are scared of who drove it last. The BMW will hold its value for the first 8yrs after that I think the Evo being an icon will win in the long run just look 3000GT VR4s,Supras, and 3rd gen Rx7s pricing. To answer the want question, its part of being car crazy and always wanting something faster or more luxurious then you have the outside influences ie significant others and career. I miss my Evo everyday but due to job change and not having a 4 car garage it had to go, so it usually not the cars fault we are so short commitment based. Why do you think BMW has leasing on the 335i?
 
Well I think you just made my point. The EVO is not an icon because it's updated all the time. Sure it's a great car with heritage and an old one is pretty fun to drive. here are a few around here and I'm friends with grey market dealers so I can get an EVO IV, V, VI, VII or possibly an VIII. But they go way up in price as they get newer. Civic Type R's are available as well.
Anything goes here no matter what you want to drive as long as you can get it registered.
Anyway The US has a different outlook. But when anyone goes to buy a car they want it like new even when it's old and used and with stuff like tea EVO as well as many other cars you KNOW they were thrashed. Most people don't hold onto a car for 8 years any more. The electronics get all wonky and things not mechanical start going awry and electrical gremlins and then you trade it. BMW and 8 years you won't get much for it. Maybe the EVO will have some value but it's not going to be a lot either.
The EVO has gotten more and more expensive and yes better. But if it's $40K people will also consider a BMW and for good reason.
BMW people tend to lease all the time because they don't want to own an older car but want to drive a new car every 2-3 years. For me that's wasting money. But I do understand why people do it.
I sold my WRX when I left the US but shipping it here would have been very expensive then customs usually charges at minimum 100% of what they think the vehicle is worth. So Shipping about $5K and then $25K for a customs fee! Nah not worth it. The EVO concept was great the street pics are a bit less inspiring but it looks 10 times better than the WRX/STI!
Now let's see if the dealers gouge on prices and don't allow test drives again.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [tcrawley1] by stevecebu
Jul 12, 2007 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: tcrawley1 (Jul 12, 2007 10:06 am)

I'm sorry I hit a nerve, some people buy vehicles for performance not looks or comfort. I am one of those people, but when I can get a high performance vehicle with;5yr60k bumper to bumper warranty,10yr100k powertrain, and roadside assistance for under $36k that even throws some practicality in there where do you go wrong. If your European biased you won't get not bringing your car in for repairs. I just speaking from experience, besides the new R32 cost like mid $30ks I read.
 
Seriously is Mitsu still going out of their way to void warranties on their cars if they even think you auto-x'd the car? I heard they would go to events and take pics of the cars and their license plates and then totally void the warranty!
I'm sure you will defend that but also the dealers would claim you raced it even if you hadn't and not fix it. My friend had that happen. It wasn't an EVO tho.
So the warranty is only as good as the dealer and the dealers try to get out of that and it doesn't take much. Basically your word against theirs.
I know it ticked a lot of people off when they did tat and of course Mitsu is so in the Red now they have forgotten what black looks like. Part of that is the way the dealers treat their customers. I have no way of knowing if that's changed. Dealers always protect their own.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [stevecebu] by tcrawley1
Jul 12, 2007 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: stevecebu (Jul 12, 2007 1:26 pm)

I'm sorry you lived where the dealer didn't have a Evo specialist and didn't allow test drives. I haven't driven the 1series cause its not out here yet, but I have driven the 335i which is a like a tool for driving. My Evo was my most stable car at 150 plus. I know your enjoying your vehicles if your going 160 in them. Im sorry again for your dealership's ignorance, go find one that will let you drive and see what all the hype is about.
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Re: Subaru Impreza WRX??? [tcrawley1] by tcrawley1
Jul 12, 2007 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: tcrawley1 (Jul 12, 2007 1:54 pm)

I live by three different Mitsu dealers and only one of them is being stupid about warranty. I think a lot of enthusiasts take warranties for granted I always check with the service dept of a dealership that I'm considering a purchase at to findout what I can and cannot do to my car and you should too.This was a problem that a few caused both drivers(6k clutch drops) and dealerships(sneaky service managers) that leave a mark on a great car. I know a bunch of my friends that drive other brands and have the same trouble cause, in the covered item section no manufacture has racing as covered that I know of.

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