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#1 of 786 Toyota is on the Offensive. Will it work?
Jul 03, 2007 (12:21 pm)
In tribute to the very successful GM discussion, a dicussion of the World's #1 brand is in order. Lovers and haters, please feel free to stop by and share.
Tundra and Prius are setting sales records. Camry sales are increasing at an almost alarming rate.
People are really satrting to look to Toyota Hybrids when gas prices shoot up.
Quality is down somewhat, but still ahead of the competition.
New competitors want to knock them off the top of the mountain.
Who can stop Toyota?
Can it be done?
Where will Toyota peak?
Who won't live to see the end of the battle?
#2 of 786 Re: Toyota is on the Offensive. Will it work? [drfill]
Jul 03, 2007 (1:40 pm)
To start off, Toyota is a living testament how an organization should be ran, especially given its size. I respect Toyota in many ways.
Now to the details:
Who can stop Toyota?
Camry sales are increasing at an almost alarming rate.
To be accurate, the Camry sales are increasing with the inclusion of the hybrid model recently, otherwise, flat.
#3 of 786 Thanks for stopping by, Joe
Jul 03, 2007 (2:21 pm)
Last time I checked, there is a Camry Hybrid.
Hybrid power didn't help the Accord.
So I'm not sure of the point thur.
#5 of 786 Re: Thanks for stopping by, Joe [drfill]
Jul 03, 2007 (3:26 pm)
You certainly have a point there. The Accord hybrid was one of those rare eggs that Honda laid. I'm somewhat surprised at that in that in gives a lot of bang for the mileage. I'm guessing that folks have pretty well decided that they want mpg over 0 - 60 when it comes to hybrids. In this case Toyota bet right and Honda didn't.
#6 of 786 Good job, Fezo
Jul 03, 2007 (3:31 pm)
You feel me.
How does the 2008 Accord fit into this? Will it slow down the Camry Love Train?
Camry sales may reach 500k this year, the first time in decades a car has sold 500k in a single year.
Tundra also has a chance to reach the once-thought outlandish goal of 200k in less than a full year.
#7 of 786 Re: Thanks for stopping by, Joe [drfill]
Jul 03, 2007 (3:43 pm)
If you were following the Accord Hybrid discussion prior to and after the fall, you would know that most posters were negative about Honda using the V6 to gain power rather than mileage. Toyota may or may not have picked up on that. They did the smart thing building the TCH with the 4 cylinder engine. And it is a popular car. If Toyota had gone for the HP rather than the economy as they did with the HH, Camry sales would not be where they are today. If you have a typical dealership you know how hard it is to unload a Highlander Hybrid. The ones on the lots here are advertised at below invoice. The RX400h is more popular because the wealthier buyers do not really care as much about mileage as performance and that GREEN feeling they get.
#8 of 786 08 Accord
Jul 03, 2007 (3:46 pm)
It will be very interesting to see what happens with the 08 Accord.
It does seem that Honda is taking the approach of not wanting to lose face on what they perceive as the failure of the Accord Hybrid. They'll put out an Accord and then a separate Accord-like vehicle called something else in hybrid form.
Now I am one who favors the Accord over the Camry usually but I think it will be a long time before we ever see the Accord outselling the Camry again.
#9 of 786 Re: Good job, Fezo [drfill]
Jul 03, 2007 (3:49 pm)
If Honda makes good on their promise of a 2009 diesel Accord, I think they will gain back much lost ground. The diesel Accord has the potential for close to 50 MPG on the highway. It will directly compete against all the Camry models including the hybrid.
#10 of 786 That's assuming
Jul 03, 2007 (3:53 pm)
Americans take to diesel the way they've taken to hybrids.
It has taken Toyota several years to get to this point with Hybrid acceptance.
I haven't seen any evidence that sales are increasing for diesel power, outside of full-size pick-ups.