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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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#7296 of 7308 It may end up to be a couple of good models in a bad brand.. by wtl

Nov 15, 2012 (7:53 am)

Genesis was my first choice since it looks nice, drives nice and has more discounts/incentives compare with my other two choices. As I search various forums, hearing people whining about how unsatisfied with the dealer treatment as people paid good $35k and above for genesis, not to mention the incompetence to fix the car at first time truly drives me away from Hyundai.
For the past couple of weeks, I was looking to buy a genesis, test drove and love it but didn't realy want to commit until I have a chance to see the 2013 Avalon. I was also test drove the BMW x1 since it has easy accessible space for a full size cello. I can tell the difference from the moment I walked into the BMW showroom. I do think Hyundai has a long way to go to become a truly luxury car brand, at least I don't think it's even comparable with Toyota. There are some fundamentals for a luxury brand to success that are just not there today. As for me, my choices have gone down to two.

#7297 of 7308 . by fintail

Nov 20, 2012 (11:03 am)

I just bought a pile of German magazines as souvenirs - I see someone had the gall to base the V6 Genesis coupe (no sedan there) at EUR 39.5K. In Germany, you can get a nice enough C or 3er coupe for the same money, or a base E coupe for EUR 2K more. Seems a little ambitious, or as I like to call it, stupid. Is it Korean arrogance, or German suits trying to sabotage?

#7298 of 7308 Re: . [fintail] by robr2

Nov 20, 2012 (11:21 am)

Replying to: fintail (Nov 20, 2012 11:03 am)
I see someone had the gall to base the V6 Genesis coupe (no sedan there) at EUR 39.5K.
 
I don't even see the Genesis coupe on hyundai.de.
 
The only reference I could find to the coupe in Germany was a limited edition of 50 GT's based on a racing team Genesis owned by a German dealer.
 
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/08/limited-edition-hyundai-genesis-coupe- -gt-heading-to-germany.html

#7299 of 7308 Re: . [robr2] by fintail

Nov 20, 2012 (11:30 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Nov 20, 2012 11:21 am)
This is per the Fall 2012 "Auto Kauf" buyers guide published by "Auto Motor und Sport" (probably the most respected car rag in continental Europe). The 2013 "Auto Katalog" published by the same source also lists the Genesis coupe with 4cyl (EUR 6K less) and 6cyl.

#7300 of 7308 Re: . [fintail] by robr2

Nov 20, 2012 (11:48 am)

Replying to: fintail (Nov 20, 2012 11:30 am)
I'm just reporting. The Genesis isn't on Hyundai.de so I was curious and dug around.
 
I did check out Auto Motor and Sport's website and they have a test. They didn't seem critical of it and noted a price of E36K for the stick and an adder of E1900 for the slushbox.
 
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/hyundai-genesis-coupe-gt-coupe-m- it-nordschleifen-schliff-4317073.html

#7301 of 7308 Re: . [robr2] by fintail

Nov 20, 2012 (11:58 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Nov 20, 2012 11:48 am)
Some European maker websites are unexceptional.
 
Maybe prices increased - the paper I have claimed 39.5K for the V6. Still seems like unexceptional value compared to the US - almost like they are kind of wanting to not make it. The magazine indeed doesn't say it is bad (although seems to complain about declining interior material quality), but for the money, it's a toughie. The Genesis sedan not existing there (not to mention the Equus) also says something. Maybe not so many upmarket aspirations there.
 
Could be worse though, I flipped the page and saw the Infiniti FX50 for a mere 75.6K, which is significantly more than say a diesel Range Rover Sport there.

#7302 of 7308 Re: Great Car!! [fintail] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 24, 2013 (9:09 am)

Replying to: fintail (Dec 15, 2011 6:38 pm)
but I anyway would spend 60K+ in a different way.
 
And we now know that you did...
Hey..if the Hyundai had a diesel, maybe it mighta stood a 4% chance against the MB..
 
I had a thought on the Equus sitting too high..mighta been someone who has difficulty getting in and out and parks it raised for easier ingress/egress. It just might have been thee reason the guy bought it..
 
Then again he mighta been just clueless..

#7303 of 7308 Re: Great Car!! [gimmestdtranny] by fintail

Feb 24, 2013 (5:15 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 24, 2013 9:09 am)
Well, leased 60K anyway. I bet I got it cheaper than I could have snagged an Equus too - rates I have seen on those make Hyundai look pretty proud. The Korean barge might be more luxurious - on paper anyway - but I don't regret my choice.
 
I was assuming the Equus had adjustable ride height, and the driver didn't know how to set it. Or to be optimistic, maybe he had it set for some of the second world quality roads around here.

#7304 of 7308 Re: Great Car!! [fintail] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 24, 2013 (9:08 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Feb 24, 2013 5:15 pm)
You would think that Hyundai would have learned the merits of humility by now..
Oh well..maybe they need another shot in the arm..I guess we'll see.
 
I must say, I'm not much of a fan. Plus, many of their cars still smell odd inside. Might be the hemp they use..
 
The last car I had that had height adjustable susp was a Subaru XT6. It was very trick and got looks letting itself down after leaving the car. The only time I used it for its intended purpose, (as opposed to entertainment, ha) was if there was a big fall of snow in the driveway. It would automatically lower itself if you left it in high position on the highway..somewhere around 45 mph or so..

#7305 of 7308 Re: Great Car!! [gimmestdtranny] by fintail

Feb 24, 2013 (9:23 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 24, 2013 9:08 pm)
I am somewhat surprised they haven't been louder about the Equus. I think the bland design might be holding them back. The eventual replacement will be touted louder, but still have a tough row to hoe. i am sure it is a fine car for what it is, but isn't quite the big German equivalent that the execs want people to think, nor an LS.
 
I am scared of unconventional suspensions, given what I know about older MBs. Not a question of "if" it will have issues.

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