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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#7226 of 7308 Re: Genesis the luxury brand of Hyundai [backy]
Feb 21, 2011 (5:21 pm)
It implied that to me that only the Genesis and Equus would be sold in the new showroom and expand the current showroom yet using the service center in the back for both. The dealership would be ready for the future announcements concerning Hyundai luxury brand when that occurs they couldn't tell me. Everything(the showrooms) should be done by early 2012.
My information is only as good as what the salesman said but it does show that the dealer is spending some big bucks and they have some sort of a blueprint that they are following.
#7227 of 7308 Re: Yep... [backy]
Feb 21, 2011 (5:55 pm)
Why not seek to get them to make a marginal price upgrade and buy the Genesis? Of course, that would be helped if AWD was finally offered, like it is in the cars the Gen wants to emulate.
But the Genesis is supposed to be a revolution and not some six figure plutocrat barge with insane profit margins, right?
#7228 of 7308 Re: Yep... [backy]
Feb 21, 2011 (6:04 pm)
I'll turn my head when I see those Li-poly units in cars on the street. Probably won't be prevalent in the luxury end anyway. In regards to gdi, if you aren't there in the beginning, you aren't a pioneer. I like how H is running with the idea, as I believe in the tech, and it (along with some others who are doing it concurrently) will encourage others to do so. I will give an A for effort, anyway. Eco-coach, isn't that just a nagging nanny? I think that's been done before. I have seen "blue link"...maybe some fun stuff, but no real pioneering that I can see.
Examine how primitive fuel delivery systems are on those veteran cars that existed before the Germans modernized the ideal. It was a huge jump at that time, at least as equal to any new hybrid/battery ideals today.
#7229 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (7:02 pm)
Maybe you could read up a bit on Eco-Coach. It's not a "nagging nanny."
Hyundai is on a mission to get their fleet mpg average up, way ahead of the EPA regs. So I don't think the Sonata is the last Hyundai application we'll see for the lithium polymer battery. Other automakers offer luxury hybrids--why not Hyundai? Although I'd bet we'll see an Elantra hybrid before a Genesis or Equus--much higher sales volume means more impact on fleet mpg.
As for the Azera... does it bother you somehow that Hyundai wants to offer a FWD V6 car that slots in between the Sonata and Genesis? It seems to. You might as well go tell Toyota to ditch the Avalon--why do they need something between the Camry and the ES? That's even worse in a way than Hyundai, because the ES is FWD too, like the Avalon. Or tell Nissan to ditch the Maxima--it's even smaller inside than the Altima, and has the same V6. Not even an engine to differentiate the two, unlike Sonata/Azera/Genesis.
#7230 of 7308 Re: Yep... [backy]
Feb 21, 2011 (7:36 pm)
Per the website: "Eco-Coach is a scoring system that allows you to track mileage and CO2 emissions on the Blue Link® Owner’s website, then gives you advice on how to improve driving habits to improve your efforts."
Sounds like a nag, like a new version of old fashioned economy gauges.
Other luxury hybrids are marginal players anyway, so H would be advised to try to gain some kind of solid footing in the upper end before going that way. And don't give it that gaping maw either
Nothing H does is meaningful enough to me to cause "bother", I just find it questionable. Not everything the swoopy H does is perfect just because their propaganda minister likes to talk. Perhaps if Genesis/Equus spun of into its own brand, it could then have a position as the top H. I just like to laugh about the Azera/Grandeur (a grand car in what market?????) ...40K+ Euro...hilarious.
#7231 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (7:48 pm)
How can Eco-Coach be a "nagging nanny" when you have to be sitting at a computer looking at a web site to use it? As the name says, it's a "coach", not some flashing light or dial or other "nagging nanny" in the car. And how can it "nag" you if you choose not to visit the web site?
That "gaping maw" has class-leading Cd. You want Hyundai to be innovative, don't you?
#7232 of 7308 Re: Yep... [backy]
Feb 21, 2011 (8:11 pm)
Not much difference between a coach and a nag. It's an economy gauge on the computer, reminds me of the guilt meter on my old S-class...I'd run it in red just to laugh at it ...thrifty driving isn't any kind of mystery.
The boring boxy angular E-class also has an astonishing Cd, and no big mouth. I don't know if the look is aero....but it is kind of trendy. No matter, Sonata hybrid is no luxury car.
#7233 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 22, 2011 (8:37 am)
Since the E Class sedan has the same Cd as the Sonata Hybrid sedan, .25, I guess you'll agree that the Sonata's Cd is "astonishing" also.
The Hyundai luxury cars aren't too shabby on drag either: .27 for both. Very competitive in their classes.
Too bad that old S Class had a "nagging nanny". Maybe that's why Hyundai took a different approach with Blue Light Eco-Coach. You don't see it unless you WANT to.
#7234 of 7308 1st Equus...
Feb 22, 2011 (8:37 am)
Looks a bit like they tried to copy a 1997 Cadillac DeVille.
#7235 of 7308 Re: 1st Equus... [lemko]
Feb 22, 2011 (8:40 am)
Looks more like the early LS to me, especially the greenhouse.