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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#7207 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (6:19 am)
Actually I expect the first Azera didn't take much to develop. It was based on the Gen 4 Sonata platform and its engines (with the 3.3L bored out to 3.8L and used in other applications). I do recall some marketing around the time of its launch, but at the same time or right after that came the launch of a new Accent sedan and hatch, a new Santa Fe, the all-new Veracruz, and then a new Elantra.
Anyway, the arrival of the new Azera in the USA in 2012 has been confirmed by Hyundai. I expect a starting price in the upper $20s, to slot it just above the Sonata Limited (which starts around $25k) and below the Genesis 3.8 (which starts at $33k today). If companies like Toyota, Nissan, and Ford can offer a FWD vehicle in this price range, why not Hyundai?
Feb 21, 2011 (6:39 am)
Actually what I think was said is that some Hyundai owners have been told they have to use dealer service or risk lack of warranty coverage.
I've read similar owner comments on the forums here from time to time. Lots of dealers do it, not just Hyundai. Seems like Hyundai has more complaints though.
Even though tie-in sales are illegal under Magnuson-Moss, lots of people don't know that.
#7209 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (6:25 am)
I recall the Granada ads. Pretty ridiculous. Although not too terrible a car for its time and price.
Professional auto reviewers on this continent don't want to offend advertisers, first and foremost.
So you are saying companies like Toyota don't advertise in auto mags? So when a mag trashes a big-selling car like the Camry, it's because Toyota does not now or never will advertise in that mag? Riiiiiight.
#7210 of 7308 Re: [steve_]
Feb 21, 2011 (6:29 am)
What was said was:
...you have to have every little (frequent) service performed by them (Hyundai), or else risk denial of a claim later.
I've heard the complaint from owners of other brands about some dealers being deceptive on warranty practices. There's rotten dealers all over, unfortunately. But this was singling out one company as a general rule, which is 1) not fair and 2) not true.
Feb 21, 2011 (8:16 am)
What was said was " I can't tell you the number of times I have read and also chatted with new Hyundai owners, ".
And like I said, I read a lot of posts around here and it seems like Hyundai and their dealers have a bit of a reputation for trying to deny warranty claims. More so than other makes, although I haven't run the numbers.
The worse though was the Mazda attempt to deny a warranty claim because the VIN wasn't printed on the quick lube receipt.
#7212 of 7308 Re: Yep... [gimmestdtranny]
Feb 21, 2011 (7:15 am)
I think sometimes "Character" is used as a code word for "Qirkiness" or "Leaks oil and has electrical gremlins".
Handling was over rated for those old boats. Almost any tight new car can turn in better handling, acceleration, and braking numbers.
#7213 of 7308 Re: there's one in the fleet [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (7:38 am)
Yes, Hyundai, the champion of automotive innovation. So much of what we enjoy in modern cars was born in Korea. Right.
I think what happened in the past is irrelevant. US companies developed the TV, but I don't guess you have a US made TV in your family room. Right now, everyone is drooling over the new Samsung TV's. I think Korea in general and Hyundai in particular is full of energy right now, and turning out very competent cars. Don't underestimate Korea and Koreans. I think this is just the beginning for them. Germany's best days are behind them, Korea's are still 10 years out. 5 years from now, the Genesis and Equus will be seen as baby steps on their way to domination of several segments.
#7214 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (8:09 am)
MB innovations - honeycomb radiator, float carburetor, fuel injection, direct injection, 4 wheel brakes, crumple zones, traction control, ESP, brake assist, diesel passenger cars, turbodiesels, double glazing, mass production of ABS and airbags, and that's just off the top of my head.
Oh how I wish my Hyundai had a float carburetor. Makes me feel so inadequate.
Just kidding, MB certainly was filled with energy and innovation back in the day, but that day is in its twilight. The energy now is in Japan and Korea. Even Japan is fading a bit, continuing to cash in on their former excellence but not continuing to innovate at their former rate. There's a pattern to this. Success leads to conservatism (small c) and complacency. The bubble of innovation and excellence inflate here and there around the globe, then eventually pops.
Feb 21, 2011 (8:13 am)
although I'm partial to Mitsubishi I really am impressed with Hyundai/Kia and also Ford. Chrysler and GM products are now becoming buyable again, too, which is good because the world's #1 volume Chrysler dealer is about a half-mile down the mountainside from me here in little 'ole Kellogg, ID.
#7216 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 21, 2011 (8:22 am)
Don't hit the pole then
My wife is a rear end crash magnet.
A big Buick knocked her 5mph 77 Rabbit 20 feet, no damage.
A month ago, her 06 Sonata took a bone-jarring hit from a Honda minivan. We thought the bumper cover was ruined, but once we scraped all the Honda's paint off, the bumper and paint were fine. We were amazed, because that hit was at least 5mph.