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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#7136 of 7308 Re: there's one in the fleet [fintail]
Feb 18, 2011 (7:31 am)
Engines are established technology where little real innovation is taking place, especially in the mass market.
I disagree. The mass market in particular is full of engine innovations. Maybe it's just that you haven't kept up with innovations there in the past few years? I could list the innovations in the mass market from Hyundai alone... but that would be off-topic, so if anyone is going to talk about that, I guess it will need to be you.
There was no 6 cylinder 7 Series in the US market for 20 years before 2011 MY. Long wait until BMW realized, "OMG, we need to offer a 6 cylinder!" But less than a year's wait (based on announced plans) for the 5.0L Tau in the Equus. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Those who would like the Equus but don't mind only 385 hp can buy one now (if they can get one). If they want the more powerful 5.0L, they can wait a bit. At least they know it's coming, and when.
Feb 18, 2011 (8:10 am)
I agree with the back-ster on this one. Try as I may and try as I might, the Germans only offer has-been slop for the ones that think they look cool or sophisticated in one. And they charge so much ya might as well give up eating for a few years in order ta buy one.
Too much good food here in northern Idaho for me to engage that idea full-completely. Hyundai/Kia have the Germans firmly wrapped up under their belts for the future. It's basically dumb Americans and dorky Europeans that are sucked in to the VW-Audi-BMW-Mercedes bandwagon.
BTW-have you seen how homely the latest Jetta is? Yikes, VW! See what I mean here?
#7138 of 7308 Re: there's one in the fleet [backy]
Feb 18, 2011 (8:37 am)
Yes, Hyundai, the champion of automotive innovation. So much of what we enjoy in modern cars was born in Korea. Right.
6 cyl 7er has been in production since the model line was born. BMW USA marketing ideals have nothing to do with it. It's just an additional model, no doubt a profit margin boost, for a VERY successful lineup - not a quick move to compete with the real players. Certain automakers from an area near Japan would sell their souls to have the same competency.
Better days are always just around the corner.
#7139 of 7308 Re: Yep... [iluvmysephia1]
Feb 18, 2011 (8:36 am)
How many of these "slop" cars have you driven or even sat in? I'll wager none
I'll predict now that Hyundai's luxury ambitions will result in nothing outside of the KDM and the devolving NA market. It's dumb Americans who think an awkward looking LS copy is some kind of new world beater.
Jetta is a beige product geared towards the NA buyer. Says it all, really.
Feb 18, 2011 (8:44 am)
missed their demographic with me. Doesn't matter, the Germans have a strong foothold and what I think means very little to them. I just think that Ford has upped their game so much that I can now seriously take a look at even their small cars and I will get a good car for my money. That's all.
Which is seriously off-topic. Sorry, hosts.
#7141 of 7308 Re: Then VW... [iluvmysephia1]
Feb 18, 2011 (9:51 am)
When the Jetta became the darling of under-25 females, one could predict what would come next. I'd certainly look at a Euro style Ford over one.
There is a direct VW relationship to this - mass market brand aiming for the status market owned by brands who aren't as mass market on this continent. The Phaeton still exists, just not sold here amymore.
#7142 of 7308 Re: there's one in the fleet [tjc78]
Feb 18, 2011 (12:20 pm)
The sweetheart lease deal got my attention..When the Lexus was first introduced in this country, I understand GE Credit helped them on their launch, and as my Caddy dealer Gen Mgr complained some years later to me that his lease return cars were all ending up at the Lexus dealer..Forgot to tell him that the dealer and GE credit finance person both belonged to the same "yacht club".. I am sure that Hyundai will find the same helping hand to move their 60 grand car..After all GE did receive some a few Billion from the Govt hand out program, your tax $$$$$s at work..
Maybe one should wait for a year old Equus and enjoy the 50% price drop..Hard to believe there is any "status" benefit in owning $60k Hyundai!!
While I am not in the Asian car buying mode, the Lexus has a great track record and has proven to be a reliable item offering reasonable depreciation, and would be good choice..
Since having spent 30+ yrs in the supplier market to the Big3 and the military scene, my choice is still something with a Detroit name and believe me the current pickings are slim..GM and Chrysler are not on my list, and the Mustang GT in my garage is a fun-running car and the last of the supercharged Pontiac also somewhat spirited adding both together in $$$$s spent are not near 60k..
My only Lexus story was a incident told to me by the owner of a large casting operation whom I represented and the Lexus he had purchased for his wife. They lived about 100 miles from the dealer and his wife would take the car to the dealer, pick up a loaner and go shopping..The dealer somehow discovered that 2 tires were defective and replaced them with 2 tires of a smaller size which totally upset the handling, however another 200 mile round trip to correct the mistake.. The owner drove a Chevy pickup and had 375 employees in the plant...The shopping trips were the worst part, not the tire mistake...Mistakes happen..
#7143 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 18, 2011 (1:30 pm)
I'll predict now that Hyundai's luxury ambitions will result in nothing outside of the KDM and the devolving NA market.
Is this more from your World of If? (wink)
This reminds me of the famous quote attributed in 1943 to the former president of IBM, Thomas J. Watson Sr.: "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." It turns out he never said that, but like your comment, it does not take into account what big changes can happen in a relatively short time.
Sure, TODAY Hyundai is focusing on the ROK and NA (and maybe China?) for luxury cars. Just a little over a decade ago, Hyundai sold fewer than 100,000 cars in NA. At the time, I am sure some predicted they would have to leave the NA market or would never be more than a minor player in that market.
I am sure the other luxury automakers are hoping that your prediction comes true. But I wouldn't bet on it.
#7144 of 7308 Re: Yep... [backy]
Feb 18, 2011 (1:47 pm)
Nope, no if, just calling it as I see it
I just can't see other markets that won't warm up to fancy Lexus vehicles warming up to a just as beige imitator.
There will have to be some changes as substantial as those that took place from 1943-83 to really make me want to change my thoughts. Computers evolved a lot more shockingly than cars have.
#7145 of 7308 Re: Yep... [fintail]
Feb 18, 2011 (9:16 pm)
You seem to be assuming that Hyundai will stand pat with their current luxury offerings.
Something to consider:
1st Gen Equus: Hyundai knew it wouldn't be competitive in markets like the USA, so it never came here.
1st Gen Genesis: NA COTY, Ward's 10 Best engines (Tau), respectable sales for the first luxury car in the US market from a brand no one had associated with luxury cars.
2nd Gen Equus: Seems to have reached at least parity, maybe more, with Lexus (LS), at least in the eyes of some (like C/D).
2nd Gen Genesis: Who knows?....
3rd Gen Equus: Who knows???....
And what else might be in the wings?
If you want to look at some shocking evolution of cars, try comparing the Hyundais of 10 years ago with those of today.