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#6710 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [sweendogy]
Aug 09, 2010 (8:04 pm)
I'm not caught up in anything. I'm not crazy the direction Acura has taken, and unless something changes between now and the end of the 2011, I won't be going back into another Acura. That doesn't mean they don't have products that are well regarded and sell well.
They had winners along after that model. The 3G TL was a huge design and sales success and so was the 1G TSX. The TSX still remains one of the highest sales in the entry-level lux segment, and the MDX ranks the highest if not second highest in luxury SUV comparisons, sales, etc so this idea that Acura has no winning products is ridiculous. The RL and TL are actually what are really hurting Acura the most right now.
Personally, Acura was doing fine and really on a role and a improved direction until 2009 when they started retooling their styling and designs. Same thing can be said for Honda starting in 2008. Also, when they began the redesigns in 2009, they did not add enough new technologies, features, etc to go along with that change and so many of their products have not kept up with the competition.
By the way, I don't need to be told and go read anything. Lets keep the discussion respectful and I do a lot of reading. I don't need to be belittled. I'd suggest you stop putting down and harping on brands you don't like, and stop going in and putting down current Acura owners/buyers of their current products. Let them be happy with their purchase decision, regardless that you wouldn't go along with it.
I'd never go to my local Hyundai dealer, they are the lowest trash on the planet, with low live salesman who stand out side the showroom and can't even let you get out of your car before looking around, let alone do high pressure sales. I would have to drive an hour away to get to another Hyundai dealer who might not be that bad. Regardless, while I like the new Sonata, the seats were not comfortable on my back, nor were the ones in the Genesis when I sat in them at the autoshow and a couple of open vehicles on a Sunday afternoon at my local dealership.
I do like the interior and body style of the new Sonata though, very slick looking.
#6711 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [backy]
Aug 09, 2010 (8:14 pm)
Which means the 6 Series is not currently being produced.
Why do you say this? BMW's USA website shows this as a current model. Please furnish a link if you have good reason for believing that this car has been discontinued.
Whatever its status, I will say that this is my least favorite BMW, & I am both a BMW owner & a big fan of the brand. The 6-series seems to be the car of choice for 50- & 60-something men who have more money than taste & who want to show off their much younger trophy wives.
If BMW decided tomorrow to discontinue this model, I for one wouldn't miss it.
#6712 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [fintail]
Aug 09, 2010 (8:56 pm)
Methinks you are confusing "inspired by" with "copied".
C/D must have goofed when in their September issue they stated the 6 Series was bye-bye.
#6713 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [backy]
Aug 10, 2010 (5:27 am)
Just because a car is said to be on the chopping block doesn't mean it won't be for sale for a while. Heck Ford has been talking about the demise of the Panther platform for 5 years now and they are still selling them and they are on their website.
#6714 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [tjc78]
Aug 10, 2010 (9:00 am)
C/D was pretty clear on p. 54 of the September issue:
Dead: M5, M6, 6-series
Maybe they got inaccurate info from BMW??
#6715 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [backy]
Aug 10, 2010 (10:34 am)
I'm not confused in any way. I see no inspiration or copying in terms of the old Sonata being related to an A6. If anything, the new style model is much more Audi-like, save for the heavy handed front end. I saw one today, highline, a nice medium grey...fairly nice looking from back and side - much more so than a Camry...I didn't look in my mirror as I moved by on the highway
The current style 6er will be dead soon, as it has had a long run - and this might even result in a slight layover until the replacement is ready, but I have seen nothing claiming the line will be permanently dead, and many rumor/future model sites show supposed 2012 designs. The M6 is now on hiatus, but the 6er line is alive. It seems to be a cash cow aimed at useless trophy wives and trust fund douchebags like jimbres mentions, so BMW is likely not to kill it.
#6716 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [fintail]
Aug 10, 2010 (12:14 pm)
Not sure which Audi you are thinking of, but IMO the 2011 Sonata looks like no Audi I know of. Audi simply doesn't put that many creases into its sheetmetal. Now, Kia... they are clearly going down the Audi path on styling inspiration with their latest models--no doubt because they stole one of Audi's chief designers.
#6717 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [backy]
Aug 10, 2010 (2:36 pm)
Oh yeah, no Audi trend there...the arcing 6 window roofline and greenhouse must be completely random. I suppose the old Ford 500/Taurus with the same roofline was random too. Granted, nobody has done that cluttered and clumsy Sonata front end, and the busybody rear end seems something by itself too...but the profile is very A6 influenced in my eyes, much more so than the old Accord previous model.
Kia and Audi...haven't seen it yet. I have seen images of the slated 2011 Optima, which has some inelegant features, but IMO is better looking than the Sonata. Not an Audi, though. There is an older Kia which looks like the love child of a 1996 E class and a 1998 Town Car
#6719 of 7308 Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [backy]
Aug 10, 2010 (3:01 pm)
Hope you're right about the demise of the 6-series. It was the answer to a question that no one was asking.
The M5 is a high-performance version of the 5-series sedan. The 5 is entirely new for 2011, so my hunch is that a new M5, based on the latest generation (F10) 5-series, will come along in a couple of years.
This seems to be BMW's modus operandi. The last generation (E60) 5-series was introduced to the U.S. market in 2004, but the M5 based on that generation didn't come out until 2006.