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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#6356 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 20, 2010 (8:20 pm)
Yes, the 2011 Sonata's high residual value has allowed Hyundai to set lease prices close to those of Camcords. But $199/month with lots up front is no real bargain these days. I see screamer ads for Accords and Mazda6's for $219/mo sign-and-drive.
So when will you be picking up that new Genesis coupe and having your mechanic of choice add the HKS et. al. tuning pieces for you? Or will you be going the tuned K-car or Metro route instead?
Thanks for the link, but you found the one report (from a CR blog) that I found--no other details on rentals of 2011 Sonatas. And after that one post about a trip in a rental, there was this post: "What company did you rent the Sonata from? I'm looking to rent one but can't find one. Any help would be appreciated!" So it looks like others are having the same problem I have, finding 2011 Sonata rentals. Hertz in particular would be good; I tend to rent mostly from them (company policy).
I think Hyundai can easily match Lexus and MB in having their lowest-line cars as loaners. But given that the Sonata is the biggest volume seller, it would probably make sense to provide those as loaners for Genesis owners, if another Genesis isn't available.
#6357 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:13 am)
Well, the point is, the CEO of Hyundai announced the program. It's a national program, and I'll bet any dealer that sells the Equus will be forced to participate. Since I've never seen any TV or magazine ads for that service, I think it's unique. And yes, it's innovative.
I don't get into the whole dealer experience thing anyway. If my car has to visit the dealer very often, I'll find another brand.
#6358 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:39 am)
Lots up front? I don't recall that being part of the discussion. Heck, there is even a Sonata lease thread right here at Edmunds with people putting down nothing to a pittance. No matter, if there was some implied run on these things or worse yet a shortage, such ads wouldn't exist. Nobody implies there is such on the Accord and certainly not on the weird 6.
The tuned discussion was never about a DIY frankencar.
If you want to know who rents what, call some specific offices. Rental fleets often vary by region. This discussion claims National Maybe shell out a few bucks and do a rental on your own at another company. Or better yet, buy a Sonata, one can't go wrong, right?
There's a gigantic difference between a lowline MB or Lexus vs a lowline H and the cost of maintaining a fleet of loaners of the respective cars. Apples to oranges. It will be interesting to see what happens.
#6359 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [bobad]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:37 am)
That's right, as corporate policy, it appears to be unique. Individual dealers might do similar already, but at their own discretion. If the car sees any kind of success, I would expect the idea to spread.
#6361 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [ergsum]
Jun 21, 2010 (11:01 am)
National must be phasing out the 2010 models
#6362 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 21, 2010 (2:06 pm)
Can you please post the link re the amount of money that Hyundai paid to Edmunds.com for running the piece by Krafcik? If there's no link, I think you'll agree it didn't happen, right?
guess you really were born yesterday - exactly how would you think that Edmond's (or several other commercial rating orgs) make their money? Nothing to do with all those sidebars and links on their webpages, I suppose OR FTM a ridiculously self promotional article written by Hyundai's PR dept. Back in the old days this phenomena was called advertising, and historically it hasn't been cheap, FYI
Furthermore do you really think that if Edmund's were to allow for such self promotional garbage from one Co. 'no charge' that they wouldn't be obligated then to provide that same opportunity for others. Of course Hyundai paid to get Krafcik's PR statements on Edmund's, and you don't need links to substantiate such things - only the ability to get one's head out of the sand, and a bit of common sense.
#6363 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [captain2]
Jun 22, 2010 (2:26 pm)
Of course Hyundai paid to get Krafcik's PR statements on Edmund's, and you don't need links to substantiate such things - only the ability to get one's head out of the sand, and a bit of common sense.
If you really believe Hyundai paid Edmunds.com to post the op-end piece, why not contact Edmund.com's PR folks (email link is on the InsideLine page) and ask them what they paid? If it's so commonplace, they should have no problem providing that information, or at least confirming they paid for the piece. Then you can post that info here and get yourself a big "I told you so" in the bargain.
#6364 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 22, 2010 (2:45 pm)
Heck, there is even a Sonata lease thread right here at Edmunds with people putting down nothing to a pittance.
But not for $199/month, which is the deal you brought to the discussion. I am only pointing out that in the ads I've seen, there's big up-front costs for that deal--which has run since the debut of the 2011 Sonata. As for the ads proving there's no "run" on the car, are you suggesting that Hyundai should stop advertising its cars that are selling well? How about automakers like Toyota and Honda, then? Should they stop advertising or offering special lease deals or rebates because their cars are selling well?
Or better yet, buy a Sonata, one can't go wrong, right?
I already own one. How about you? How about getting some first-hand experience with the cars and brand that you like to talk so much about?
The tuned discussion was never about a DIY frankencar.
OK then. Here's your link to a tuned factory Genesis: tuned V6 and tranny (compared to the sedan), tuned suspension, special Brembo brakes, etc. Pricing information is in the article, so you know how much to withdraw from your piggy bank to buy one.
There's a gigantic difference between a lowline MB or Lexus vs a lowline H and the cost of maintaining a fleet of loaners of the respective cars.
One advantage of offering a full line of vehicles--loaners can be nice but less expensive cars like Elantras and Sonatas. Looks like Lexus and MB can catch up a bit though by offering owners of their high-end cars a low-end loaner, while Hyundai has committed to providing Equus or Genesis loaners for Equus owners.
#6365 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 22, 2010 (4:06 pm)
For $250/month then, same difference. Why do the ads scream about the sweetheart deals/low prices louder than the merits of the car? I don't think the aging Camcords are an apples to oranges comparison with the radically all new and much-ballyhooed Sonata either.
How about me? I haven't owned anything other than a MB since I was 18 years old. I have more "first hand experience" than most. Nice try though. And you don't own a Genesis or Equus, right? The cars relevant to this thread.
Yes, the mildly souped up "track" coupe. It's been out for over a year now, why is it just brought up now? Nice car, yes. And why doesn't this variant exist in the more useful sedan form?
Why should a nice loaner only go to Equus and not Genesis buyers? Isn't 43K + taxes and fees enough to gain admission into this club? And what commitment...the program exists only on paper right now. I can't see where the "catching up" is to be done.