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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#6350 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 20, 2010 (5:52 pm)
I don't know, maybe it depends on where you live. Google it - something you like to do, and find lots of stories about 2011 Sonata rentals - and the previous generation was a rental queen out here. Per google, National seems to be the carrier. We also get Camry rental cars, Mazda 6 rental cars, and other oddballs out here. Or maybe private owners are removing license plate frames and applying rear window barcodes by themselves...
The tuned car discussion was never about DIY.
The Santa Fe loaner story relates to Hyundai loaners. If a Genesis goes on the fritz, I wonder what kind of loaner is given out. Likely not another Genesis.
#6351 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 20, 2010 (6:50 pm)
I've only done business with 3 Jag Dealers - the only one in my state, and, two out of state. All three of them were doing it for their customers. The one in my state covers the entire state here as well. The service manager here once told me that they had customers who didn't want anybody else driving their cars, so they send a small car carrier out to get them, and, deliver them back to the customer when the work is done.
#6352 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 20, 2010 (7:13 pm)
If you really want a tuned Genesis coupe that you don't have to tune yourself, search for a used one... maybe Google can help there. The tuned car discussion was never about new tuned cars.
No luck for me on a Google search for 2011 Sonata rentals. I could only find one hit that had anything to do with renting the car in the US. There were a lot of the previous generation Sonatas in rental fleets; I rented quite a few of them over the years. Just haven't seen any 2011s in rental lots at airports of major cities like I see Camrys, Fulans, Malibus--lots of those out there. But I have to complement you on your keen observing skills, to notice the barcode stickers on 2011 Sonata rentals. I'm actually surprised there's ANY of those out there, given Hyundai doesn't seem to have any trouble selling them to the public with minimal incentives.
I don't know what the loaner policy of individual Hyundai dealers is wrt the Genesis. Maybe some do provide Genesis loaners, but maybe something less. If a car like a Lexus LS460 L, BMW 760Li, or C63 AMG is in for service, do you suppose the owners get the same kind of car as a loaner? I wouldn't think so--probably something more pedestrian. The Equus loaner deal is different, though--it's a general, corporate program, not something dependent on individual dealer policies. Which is a good thing in that it offers some consistency--Equus owners need fear they'll get an Accent loaner (although the upcoming Accent looks pretty decent, for an economy car).
#6353 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 20, 2010 (7:21 pm)
I've been buying Jaguars since 2003. Various sources indicate that Jag's CPO vehicle warranty is one of the best in the business. Try to find out what it actually covers on their website - all it says is - see your dealer for details.
#6354 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [oldcem]
Jun 20, 2010 (7:37 pm)
As I mentioned, I did check the web site... for the NEW car warranty, which is the subject I was discussing with fintail. The 5/50k Jaguar warranty looks like a good one in that it includes scheduled maintenance including most wear items. But no mention of bringing a loaner Jaguar to the owner's home, taking the owner's Jaguar into service, and returning it to the owner's home. Again, that would be such a differentiator I'd expect Jaguar would mention it if it were part of their warranty program. Of course, dealers do have their own special perks. My Hyundai dealer provides free oil changes for life, for example, if you buy the car there. It's not a Hyundai thing; they sell Kias and Mitsubishis also. To be a differentiator of the brand, vs. the dealership, the program needs to be standard across all dealers, as will be the Equus loaner program.
#6355 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 20, 2010 (7:58 pm)
A new car was implied...I can find a tuned K-car or Geo Metro if I want to do it myself or find some frankencar project.
Pore over this...you'll find something...for many years I have played around about observing rental cars, they are not difficult to spot once you get the hang of it. And minimal incentives? Local screamer ads for $199/month leases don't scream a product shortage.
I know in my area, the MB dealer has some C and E loaners, Lexus has RX and ES, I don't know about BMW. If H is looking to blow away the competition, they'll need to at least match that.
#6356 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 20, 2010 (8:20 pm)
Yes, the 2011 Sonata's high residual value has allowed Hyundai to set lease prices close to those of Camcords. But $199/month with lots up front is no real bargain these days. I see screamer ads for Accords and Mazda6's for $219/mo sign-and-drive.
So when will you be picking up that new Genesis coupe and having your mechanic of choice add the HKS et. al. tuning pieces for you? Or will you be going the tuned K-car or Metro route instead?
Thanks for the link, but you found the one report (from a CR blog) that I found--no other details on rentals of 2011 Sonatas. And after that one post about a trip in a rental, there was this post: "What company did you rent the Sonata from? I'm looking to rent one but can't find one. Any help would be appreciated!" So it looks like others are having the same problem I have, finding 2011 Sonata rentals. Hertz in particular would be good; I tend to rent mostly from them (company policy).
I think Hyundai can easily match Lexus and MB in having their lowest-line cars as loaners. But given that the Sonata is the biggest volume seller, it would probably make sense to provide those as loaners for Genesis owners, if another Genesis isn't available.
#6357 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [fintail]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:13 am)
Well, the point is, the CEO of Hyundai announced the program. It's a national program, and I'll bet any dealer that sells the Equus will be forced to participate. Since I've never seen any TV or magazine ads for that service, I think it's unique. And yes, it's innovative.
I don't get into the whole dealer experience thing anyway. If my car has to visit the dealer very often, I'll find another brand.
#6358 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [backy]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:39 am)
Lots up front? I don't recall that being part of the discussion. Heck, there is even a Sonata lease thread right here at Edmunds with people putting down nothing to a pittance. No matter, if there was some implied run on these things or worse yet a shortage, such ads wouldn't exist. Nobody implies there is such on the Accord and certainly not on the weird 6.
The tuned discussion was never about a DIY frankencar.
If you want to know who rents what, call some specific offices. Rental fleets often vary by region. This discussion claims National Maybe shell out a few bucks and do a rental on your own at another company. Or better yet, buy a Sonata, one can't go wrong, right?
There's a gigantic difference between a lowline MB or Lexus vs a lowline H and the cost of maintaining a fleet of loaners of the respective cars. Apples to oranges. It will be interesting to see what happens.
#6359 of 7308 Re: The Equus Story (why it's not the Phaeton) [bobad]
Jun 21, 2010 (7:37 am)
That's right, as corporate policy, it appears to be unique. Individual dealers might do similar already, but at their own discretion. If the car sees any kind of success, I would expect the idea to spread.