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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#5491 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 16, 2010 (3:08 pm)
If the E Class' old suspension design were sufficient, there would be no need for any changes/improvements for 2010.
Hyundai improves the Genesis - that's a sign of weakness in your eyes. They should have gotten every detail of their first luxury sedan sold in the US perfect right from the start, and no changes should ever be needed. In fact, the longer Hyundai waits to make improvements (like 8 years perhaps), the better it is.
MB improves the E Class - that's a good thing in your eyes. Even though the E Class is decades old as a model, there is still room for improvement.
Am I the only one who sees a double standard here?
#5492 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 16, 2010 (3:18 pm)
backy you and I are just wasting our time defending Hyundai and Acura and other companies because to all these other posters, unless its a BMW or Mercedes everything else is inferior or "wannabe luxury" or "pretend luxury" etc!
let them continue to spend their thousands upon thousands of extra dollars for the same equipment and technology on their over rated, over priced BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc! it makes them feel better to try and put down the competition by calling them inferior or "near luxury" etc etc because then it doesn't look so bad in their eyes when companies like Acura or Hyundai win luxury awards over them!
I can't wait for gas prices to go back over $4 dollars a gallon and all the luxury V8/RWD vehicles will just be sitting there and can't even be given away because people are going to want things with better fuel economy! yeah, those V8/RWDs will really be super luxurious when the gas prices goes up again and you know they will be by summer! lol, laugh, laugh, laugh!
#5493 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 16, 2010 (3:39 pm)
You know were I stand....Fintail thinks I stand in the middle of a Hyundai showroom!!! lol
Mar 16, 2010 (3:49 pm)
All the comparisons between Hyundai and Mercedes tends to prove the point it seems.
#5495 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 16, 2010 (3:49 pm)
Why does the Genesis have to ride like either the BMW or Lexus?
It doesn't, my point is that, the car is too much of a compromise between cruiser and sport sedan. One size fits all doesn't work in the land of 40K sedans. People will just look elsewhere. Just recently in another Edmund's forum a poster felt the Genesis wasn't quite sporty enough and ended up in a TL, however, really liked the car otherwise. I on the other hand will not buy another Genesis unless they offer a more Lexus/Toyota ride, just my preference.
#5496 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [toye]
Mar 16, 2010 (4:16 pm)
That or in a Hyundai office high rise somewhere in suburban Seoul
#5497 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 16, 2010 (4:24 pm)
As time moves on and technology progresses, what was once excellent becomes old and outmoded. My old car has mechanical fuel injection, a weird rear swing axle, and an even weirder slushbox without a torque converter. These remain sufficient for driving in modern traffic - and at the time of introduction were very high technology, but today there are better options. They weren't changed as a reaction to poor tuning in initial models, rather because tech simply moved on.
It took 8 years for technology to advance enough for MB to justify a complete change, which is typical for their product life cycle. So many others wish they could be so lucky.
An immediate change right after the introduction of a much-heralded new model is not a sign everything was properly thought out. Some here do seem to think H can do no wrong and any criticism is unwarranted and taboo. Sorry. No double standard.
#5498 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [smarty666]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:01 pm)
Actually I am not "defending" anything. I'd just like to see a little more common sense, fairness, and logic applied to the discussion. Maybe I am asking too much.
I agree with you about what could happen to the V8 luxury market when gas goes back over $4 a gallon. One more reason Hyundai won't sell many Equus V8 sedans here. IMO the big-engined cars are a dying breed. RWD, though, that can continue; it's possible to get good fuel economy from a V6/I6 or GDI I4 RWD car. And with Hyundai and soon BMW leading the way with GDI 4-cylinder applications in the US (coming soon to the 5 Series for example), I don't see many V8s in the future. Maybe it will become the Ultimate Status Symbol of the Very Rich--"I am so rich, I laugh at gas prices!"
Here's a thought: a Genesis sedan with a 2.4L I4 GDI turbo, around 260-270 hp, 35 mpg highway EPA. How would that fare in the marketplace?
#5499 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:27 pm)
If you are saying that neither MB nor any other luxury automaker has ever made a running change to a current design, and thus Hyundai's action to make a running improvement in the Genesis sedan was unprecedented (sorry, Mr. Obama), then I consider your earlier statement that (paraphrased) "Hyundai should have got it right the first time" fair.
But I think if you check history, you will find it is very common for MB and other automakers to make running changes in current designs. For example, why did MB drop Sensotronic mid-gen in the W211? Was it because Sensotronic was such a great braking system? Or maybe the change was related to the recall of nearly 2 million cars with Sensotronic? Relatively speaking, would you say Hyundai's tweak to the suspension of the 2009 Genesis was a bigger deal than MB dropping the trouble-prone Sensotronic system from the E Class and other models?
Unless you think it would have been better for Hyundai to ignore comments from the small minority of owners who complained about the suspension tuning on the 2009 Genesis, and wait until the next redesign in a few years to make changes? Personally I prefer to see a car company react quickly to owner complaints, even if the problem is not perceived by most owners. I see that as a sign of a responsive, customer-focused company. And also a company that knows it can't afford to make any major missteps in its efforts to move upscale.
#5500 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 16, 2010 (5:28 pm)
lol I'm flattered!!!!!!!