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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#5442 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [fintail]
Mar 15, 2010 (9:52 am)
You really think the only reason that hood ornament wouldn't fly in western markets is because of safety? That consumers would actually embrace such a cynical and childish styling feature?
I try not to tell other people what they think is stylish or not. That's a very personal and subjective thing. I don't think a hood ornament like that is appropriate for a modern car. Maybe on a 1960 Rolls. And it's clear you don't like it. I never said the ONLY reason the Equus won't keep the hood ornament is safety regs--I suggested it ala "if nothing else because of pedestrian safety regs." If safety regs do allow it, I think Hyundai will assess what the general opinion is on it (e.g. test marketing) and decide what to do. Who knows, maybe they'd find most people in the market for a car like that like the hood ornament. Crazier things have happened.
I see though that hyperbole is fine as long as it comes from your keyboard.
BTW, there is no such thing as a "similarly engineered" Camcord, wrt to the new Sonata. If you are interested in what folks are paying for the 2011 Sonata, there's a Prices Paid discussion here at Edmunds.com. Yes, for a Limited folks are paying around $25k or more, given there's little in the way of rebates on this new design.
#5443 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 15, 2010 (9:54 am)
What handling issues are you referring to (I assume you mean the Genesis sedan, since you also mentioned the Equus)? I have heard some people complain of an "unsettled" ride on some road surfaces on the 2009 Genesis, but I really haven't seen complaints on handling. Remember that this is a large luxury sedan, not a sports car.
#5444 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [backy]
Mar 15, 2010 (10:53 am)
Safety regs are the only reasons you found worthy to mention why H would dump that ridiculous ornament. You imply that's the only problem, while nobody in the world would argue that it is actually good design.
It would behoove you to not use quotes unless you are actually quoting someone verbatim. Please. 4cyl Camcord vs 4cyl Sonata. They are all bland designs IMO, who blows 25K for one these days? Prices paid discussions are amusing...I could claim I paid 2K for one, or 40K.
#5445 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 15, 2010 (10:59 am)
There are numerous posts about suspension in the Genesis "Initial Quality and Issues" thread right here on Edmunds....bouncy and uncontrolled ride, weird alignment issues, read it yourself.
No reason to believe the Equus will be any better. It's already somewhat of an old design, isn't it? And H doesn't exactly have a rep for suspension tuning (other than the mysterious tuner car that was never linked, ahem ) or handling
Calling the Genesis a "large luxury sedan" is also a stretch, it's a 5er mimic in many ways, which isn't a large car itself.
#5446 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 15, 2010 (12:12 pm)
There you ass/U/me again, that the Equus will have suspension and handling problems. Stick with your MB. There are plenty of issues with MB and their past electrical problems but do you see anybody on this blog bash MB like you do to Hyundai.
#5447 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
Mar 15, 2010 (12:31 pm)
I have read the Genesis sedan owner reports. Not long ago I went through all 130 or so that were posted for the 2009 model at that time. (Of course, 2010 is on the right now.) I found only a handful mentioned issues with the suspension/ride, and none with the handling. That is why I asked what "handling" (direct quote from you) issues you knew about.
Edit: I just looked at the 19 reports to the right on the sedan. Have you? Only one said the suspension needed any improvement. I thought this comment was interesting, though: "Friends owning BMW's and Mercedes are duly impressed and even more so when the purchase price is taken into consideration."
The Genesis is larger in interior room than the 7 Series, isn't it? That is why I called it a "large" luxury sedan--it's bigger than mid-sizers like the 5 Series.
You do like to keep harping on little bits, don't you? Many many posts on how you hate the Equus' hood ornament, and several posts complaining that you couldn't find the link I posted here to the tuned Genesis coupe. If you are incapable of mastering the Page Up key on your keyboard, I can't help you with that--sorry.
Re info posted on the Sonata Prices Paid discussion... you don't seem to trust that people will post accurate prices there. So why should we trust the info in the Genesis "Initial Quality and Issues" thread here, which you encouraged me to read? Is it that people will only post factual info on Hyundais when it's negative, but when it's positive, or simply basic facts like prices paid, people will generally lie?
#5448 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [toye]
Mar 15, 2010 (12:38 pm)
but do you see anybody on this blog bash MB like you do to Hyundai.
If any criticism is 'Bashing' than I guess you can count me as one of those that has 'bashed' the German cars for their documented issues with electronic gremlins. And although I don't follow those particular forums, I'm relatively confident that there are entire threads devoted to those type of MB/BMW problems.
The Genesis has received a number of criticisms from a number of sources (including an owner or two on this forum) about an ultimately choppy and uncontrolled (albeit on the firmer side) ride on washboard type surfaces. Ditto for the Azera, except in that case, a ride that is too soft and ultimately uncontrolled. Hyundai, whether you want to admit or not, is a manufacturer that has a history of tuning its cars closer to the Toyota side of things, not the European side.
Are fintail's comments 'bashing' or simply statements that you don't want to hear?
#5450 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Mar 15, 2010 (12:42 pm)
simply basic facts like prices paid, people will generally lie?
sad but probably true. Human nature and a function of EGO despite nothing to be gained with the 'fib'.
#5451 of 7308 Re: let's tone it down a notch please [toye]
Mar 15, 2010 (12:47 pm)
This isn't a "blog", and you're not a host, but thanks for your suggestion.
Please, give us another astonished propaganda post about the wondrous luster of Hyun-Kia greatest thing since sliced bread, innovator of all modern cars, able to do no wrong, and leap tall buildings in a single bound
Who is bashing Hyundai, really? Is daring to mention any legitimate issues "bashing"? Is going against the fanboy-ism "bashing"? I dare you to show any post where I call any H product a bad car. Please, do it.