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Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons
#5417 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [fintail]
Mar 14, 2010 (9:35 am)
So now it is against Fintail's Law for people to voice their honest opinions here, and report what they see and hear. Sorry if my report from the auto show offended you. Maybe you can go check out the Equus yourself and report on what you think, rather than taking shots at other people who actually bother to check out the cars on which they share their opinion.
Oh, and about the Genesis and the Azera having a distinct resemblance - in fact, they do. The greenhouse design is very similar along with the rear quarter haunches. Perhaps H should go for a family resemblance in the way the Germans do - similar greenhouse designs among sedan variants.
You have obviously not been paying attention to what Hyundai is doing with their sedans. There is a strong family resemblance and styling theme emerging, starting with the 2011 Sonata and continuing to the next-gen Elantra and Accent. We don't know yet what that will mean for the next-gen Genesis, since it's too early for any photos or even concept cars yet, but we do see a hint of this styling theme in the C pillar of the Equus--a swept-back look like that of the Sonata vs. the more formal lines of the Genesis. Yes the Azera has a similar little window behind the rear doors as the Equus. But after seeing the Equus up close, that is the only detail that is similar to the Azera. The character line on the rear of the car is much different than on the Azera--take a close look and you'll see what I mean. The one on the Equus is much more like the one on the new M than on the Azera (and keep in mind the Equus had it first). The rear end of the Equus is much different than the Azera's, as is the front. And there is no similarity between the interiors--which is a good thing, as I never liked the dash on the Azera. If you believe two cars have a "distinct resemblance" because they share one styling detail, then you would need to think that the Camry has a distinct resemblance to the 7 Series (same hump in the trunklid), the E Class has a distinct resemblance to the old Spectra (same sweep below the side windows), and also the E Class has a distinct resemblance to the old LeSabre from the early '90s (same C pillar, including the little window in front of the C pillar).
#5418 of 7308 Still want to see more information on the...
Mar 14, 2010 (10:16 am)
i-flow, which is supposed to replace the Azera, which is another Hyundai luxury vehicle.
The Genesis would be the outlier here, with its BMW styling. Maybe the next one will have the same 6-window design as other H products.
The Genesis sedan draws more design cues from Mercedes-Benz, IMHO. Not BMW. From the waterfall grille to the overall body shape it looks MB-enz-ish to me.
#5419 of 7308 Re: I'll second these emotions... [smarty666]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:35 am)
Since when are CLEAR comments by HONDA/ACURA executives 3rd party opinion? lol
You have some issues cuz your desperation is showing.
#5420 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [backy]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:37 am)
Wow...when did I ever post a "law"? No need to be so dramatic, I didn't know I would hurt feelings so easily. The post I originally replied to had no context of an "opinion", rather it was loaded with hyperbole and idol-worship. If you see it as a "shot", that's your right, but don't hold me to the oversensitivity of others. And btw, I will be seeing the thing soon, I can't wait to see that garish front end for myself.
Different features carry more visual weight and influence than others. The front end and the greenhouse are the most recognizable features of a car. The Equus and Azera have the same design language for the greenhouse, and the rear quarter detail/haunch is similar. Comparing these to a Camry hump vs 7er, or the wild claims of a side sweep resembling a Spectra (I can just as easily claim it is simply an evolutionary detail from the W211) is nutty. Little window in front of the C-pillar making it resemble an old Buick? You obviously have not been paying attention to cars that don't come out of Korea....it's a trait seen on every MB sedan for nearly 60 years. Right, nice try. And regarding the M, nobody will ever accuse Infiniti of being a design innovator - it's either boring (M, G, etc) or weird (FX). Nobody follows that lead.
#5421 of 7308 Re: Still want to see more information on the... [iluvmysephia1]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:41 am)
Genesis doesn't have a waterfall grille (Equus does though), but the general grille shape and in a way the headlights are somewhat similar to some MB - but I don't think the Genesis design is derived from MB. However, the greenhouse, profile, and overall proportions are very much BMW E60. Heck, the Genesis actually looks better than the BMW in a way...no 'Dame Edna' lights or other Bangle flourishes
#5422 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [fintail]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:41 am)
Hard to say.
The coupe is moving upmarket, reportedly, to coincide w/ the launch of Hyundai's luxury marque in 5-6 years time (when the next gen Genesis sedan and coupe will debut).
There has been no info. on another RWD sports coupe in development by Hyundai and considering that the FWD Tiburon replacement will be ready in about a year and a half, as well as a 3 Series/IS sporty sedan competitor (to slot as the entry level lux sedan), one would be hard pressed to see Hyundai spending the time and resources to develop another RWD model.
#5423 of 7308 Re: Hyundai First [j2j]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:44 am)
If there is to be a Tiburon replacement, then it all makes sense...it will replace the Genesis coupe as we know it, and the new coupe will complement the sedan a little more equally.
If H does make a distinct new marque in a few years, that will be very interesting to watch. Competition is a good thing.
#5424 of 7308 Re: Still want to see more information on the... [iluvmysephia1]
Mar 14, 2010 (11:47 am)
No, the Azera replacement is already undergoing testing.
The iFlow is reportedly going to be the basis for the future i40 in Europe (if correct, it seems like Hyundai will eventually offer the European market a mid-size sedan distinct from the Sonata).
As for the Genesis sedan, it draws more styling cues from the BMW due to the use of the Hofmeister kink (but then again, pretty much every auto manufacturer has done so).
The only MB-ish thing about the Genesis is having a horizontally-slatted grill w/ a divider down the middle (add a divider to all the horizontally-slatted grills for past and present Infiniti, Lexus and Acura models and they become very MB-ish).
#5425 of 7308 Re: I'll second these emotions... [j2j]
Mar 14, 2010 (2:20 pm)
there is nothing written in some automotive textbook that says this tier 1, tier 2, etc stuff; its all made up by the sport enthusiast community who thinks every single vehicle should have a V8/RWD option despite the fact almost 85% of the population doesn't need or WANT that in their vehicles!
news flash, most luxury car buyers don't need a high performance race car to get around! they look for ones that have a overall balance of refinement, quality, reliability, customer service, etc something that Acura, Lexus, and Audi offer quite well!!
you still don't seem to get it that your whole argument lacks any logic behind it; to sit there and say that companies like Acura, Hyundai, etc are inferior and less luxurious to over-rated, over-priced BMW and Mercedes because they don't have a V8 or RWD option makes absolutely no sense; what does one have to do with the other? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! V8s and RWD have nothing to do with how luxurious a car is! plain and simple! it might have something to do with how well a car is in regards to racing, speed comparison, on the track numbers, etc but nothing to do with how luxurious a car is!!
my God, the Genesis has a V8 RWD option yet there are people on here who come on and criticize how unrefined it is and how's it not a luxury car, or that is not up to the level of BMW or Mercedes because it is a Hyundai so the argument you are making falls flat on his face right there in that regard with the Genesis!
it is completely hypocritical to put down and slam a automakers who you never have even had one of their products and won't even try, before you make ridiculous claims that they are near luxury or wannabe luxury, so how could you know! you can't!
if anyone is in desperation it is you to try and make this V8/RWD = luxury point and saying companies like Acura, Hyundai, etc are inferior in order to make yourself feel better when these supposed inferior companies win LUXURY awards over your precious over-rated BMW and Mercedes vehicles
I guess it makes you feel better to feel and think their losing out to inferior companies as an excuse as to why its happening! lol
I find it hysterical the people who waste their hard earn money on BMW's and Mercedes where you have to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars more for the same luxury features that come either standard or in much cheaper option packages in their Korean and Japanese counterparts and no where near hold their value as well or are as reliable like the Japanese and Korean luxury vehicles are!
#5426 of 7308 This car looks more like...
Mar 14, 2010 (2:04 pm)
a Mercedes-Benz than anything else.
That isn't a waterfall grille?