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#3902 of 4250 Re: Now, now... [m4d_cow] by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:34 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 01, 2009 2:40 am) The "updates" consisted of changing struts and Hyundai has replaced struts on 06 and 07 models with the new ones with NO improvement in ride.
#3903 of 4250 Re: Huh? [wayne52] by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:43 am)
Replying to: wayne52 (Oct 31, 2009 9:08 am) Last April's New Car issue of Consumer Reports had an article on the manufacturers. Hyundai as a brand had three negatives: Suspension, low fuel economy and low resale value.      It is a difficult decision because the Genesis does have some really superlative reviews, but it is also brand new from a company with an improving, but spotted history. It is also their first RWD and V8.     My philosophy is to let someone else be the guinea pig and prove the car over the long haul.
#3904 of 4250 Re: Huh? [carolinabob] by tenpin288 Nov 03, 2009 (6:58 am)
Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 03, 2009 6:32 am) If you want to cite numbers try these from Consumer Reports, probably a more recognized name than Consumer Guide (and from your previous posts, you do seem to respect what CU says)   In the category of "upscale Sedans" with a score range of a low of 43 to a high of 92, the Genesis' score--92! That is the highest score in that CU category!   In the area of owner satisfaction and the question "would you buy this vehicle again?", with a percentage range of 52 on the low side and 88 on the high side-- the Genesis' score--84%! That score was only topped by the Acura TL AWD (88). This category includes BMW 335i Sedan AWD (83), Toyota Avalon (81), Volkswagen CC 4-cyl (79), Lexus ES (79), Infiniti G Sedan (78), Hyundai Azera (76), Lexus IS350 (74), Lexus IS250 AWD (65), and so on. The median score in this class is 74. See Bob, we can cite numbers and figures also, and the vast majority of what I have read or seen are positive.   Could there be a design problem or flaw with the Genesis suspension? Possibly, but it is more likely a suspension tuning issue. Remember that one of the comments made by the press when they tested the KDM Genesis early on was that it was too soft for the US market, so Hyundai stiffened it up for the US and evidently went a little too far for the expectations of some in its class.
#3905 of 4250 Re: Hyundai Not a Luxury Car company [carolinabob] by espo35 Nov 03, 2009 (7:38 am)
Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 03, 2009 6:19 am) "The main qualifier for a true luxury car is that it is perceived by the public, especially those in the upper echelons, as a luxury/prestige car. Neither the Genesis nor the Equus has met this standard."   Tell us, Bob- how IS the Genesis perceived by the public?   Are you the voice of the "upper echelon"?   Tee Hee...... Replies to this message: backy (Nov 03, 2009 5:05 pm)
#3906 of 4250 Genesis a midsize premium car-as claimed by Hyundai itself! by deltheking Nov 03, 2009 (8:06 am)
Hyundai itself claims the Genesis as midsize premium car in its ads. It`s ad says-- Voted most appealing midsize premium car by JD Power ""   I like the Genesis-awesome bang for the buck with luxury features but not a luxury marquee. Luxury buyers prefer badge name more than anything. Sad but unfortunately very true. And perceptions take time to change and that IMO is really sad .A luxury badge to luxury buyers is more a sense of achievement,status symbol .But Hyundai is making the right moves. In 2 or 3 years,the Equus will be here and then they can create a separate luxury brand with these really good sedans when the economy recovers. No point in opening a luxury brand when the economy is collapsing and sales of luxury cars are tanking.   I think Hyundai will strike when the rod is hot. Wait for the economy to recover,get up its brand image ,get rave reviews and awards for Genny and Equus and then dive on full length to create a luxury brand. And I certainly would consider buying a 2 or 3 yr Genny down the line after the initial steep hit in depreciation !! Replies to this message: espo35 (Nov 03, 2009 8:57 am)
#3907 of 4250 Re: Genesis a midsize premium car-as claimed by Hyundai itself! [deltheking] by espo35 Nov 03, 2009 (8:57 am)
Replying to: deltheking (Nov 03, 2009 8:06 am) "Luxury buyers prefer badge name more than anything."   I disagree. Excess used to be "cool". In today's environment, "Value" is todays' "cool". Thurston Howell and the Grey Poupon crowd didn't get their money by being oblivious to the economy.
#3908 of 4250 more of a sales story by steve_ HOST Nov 03, 2009 (4:56 pm)
"Genesis continued its strong growth trend with sales of 1,850, a 65-percent increase."   You can connect blow-out sales to quality if you wish.     October Auto Sales Uptick May Presage the 'New Normal' (AutoObserver) Replies to this message: bobad (Nov 04, 2009 6:15 am)
#3909 of 4250 Re: Huh? [carolinabob] by backy Nov 03, 2009 (4:57 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 03, 2009 6:32 am) I cherry picked?!? LOL, that is hilarious! I cited EXACTLY the same sources you did. Yet I cherry picked. Funny, funny.   What I did, and you did not, is provide the net-net of each reference you cited. You in fact "cherry picked", albeit with "rotten" cherries, by zeroing in on only one small part of each review. If you read all of the reviews you cited, in their entirety, they paint a much different picture than the negative, single-minded "Genesis has a problem with its suspension" position you seem obsessed with.   If you look at ANY professional review of any car, you will find something (usually multiple things) the reviewers complain about. Even CR hasn't found the perfect car yet, although they think the LS comes very close to their ideal.   The expert opinion, from your cited sources, is clear: the Genesis is a hands-down winner, in the "luxury" marketplace (cf. the headline on the USA Today review).   Yes, in the Consumers Guide article, the overall score is a bit below the class average. Did you notice what cars the "class" includes? I did provide that info in my post. I don't think it's a terrible thing for the Genesis to rank overall a bit below the class average for a class that includes the A8, S Class, 7 Series, and LS. Also did you notice the Genesis is Recommended by Consumers Guide, and that they said its ride is a "Pro" of the car--not a failing as you like to portray it. No, I guess you didn't notice those things because you are too busy focusing only on details of reviews that support your position that the Genesis has a lousy suspension.   And if you really wanted to help people, you would provide URLs to every article you cite. Instead, you mentioned vague references like Inside Line for a month in which they had many articles about the Genesis.
#3910 of 4250 Re: Hyundai Not a Luxury Car company [espo35] by backy Nov 03, 2009 (5:05 pm)
Replying to: espo35 (Nov 03, 2009 7:38 am) Hey, you know what? If Genesis owners/shoppers could get those Upper Echelons, including carolinabob I guess, to officially classify the Genesis as a True Luxury Car, you know what they could do with that distinction? That plus about $3 would get them a latte at their favorite coffee shop.

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