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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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Re: . [joe97] by gagrice
Jul 04, 2007 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jul 03, 2007 8:19 pm)

I think that all the auto makers including Toyota were surprised that people would pay a $3k-$5k premium in the USA for the hybrids. This gave renewed energy to overcome the emissions regulations that have kept diesels out of our market. A diesel in a comparable vehicle will get better mileage than a hybrid. The big question in my mind will the regulators neuter diesels with excessive emissions devices.
 
That said after sitting in the Veracruz yesterday I would put it on my list if they were to come up with a diesel version. I will NEVER buy a new gas vehicle again. That 2005 GMC hybrid is the last gasp for gas power in my garage.
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Re: . [gagrice] by mjb56
Jul 04, 2007 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 03, 2007 7:49 am)

Excellent point. The warranty is the key. My dealer threw in a 200K mi. warranty if you had your service done there. Given how complex the modern car is, a decent warranty is essential. This is where Hyundai exceeds everyone. And its a great vehicle.
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Re: . [mjb56] by gagrice
Jul 04, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: mjb56 (Jul 04, 2007 6:05 am)

Two things have caught my attention with Hyundai. I have a close friend with a 4 year old Sonata. It has 140K trouble free miles. He opted for the 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty. Never needed it. The car looks like new including the dark red color. It has never been garaged in So. CA sunshine. That is a testimony to the paint that Hyundai uses.
 
Second, is the Azera and Veracruz. I am not a fan of any of the econoboxes sold in America. So seeing that Hyundai has kicked it up a notch caught my attention. While at the dealer yesterday I checked out the new Elantra and Sonata. They both look very good. I would recommend anyone in the market for mid sized or larger car to check out your Hyundai dealer. Even if you end up with a HonToy you will have a better idea of what you should get for your hard earned dollars.
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Folks are cross shopping by gagrice
Jul 04, 2007 (7:49 am)
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I just do not see the need for another nameplate that is Luxury only. Here is a satisfied customer that cross shopped the luxury brands with Hyundai.
 
To anyone still deciding about buying the Veracruz, let me say that it is a fantastic car. I have been a loyal Toyota/Honda buyer for 20 years and also was skeptical about Hyundai quality. I have found that Hyundai is not the Hyundai of the past. They have one of the best line ups of vehicles out there. I have been shopping for over a year and have seen and test driven everything, incl. Pilot, CR-V, RAV4, CX-7, CX-9, MDX, RDX. I've owned a Highlander for 5 years. The Veracruz blows them all away. Styling, capacity, handling, comfort, warranty, value, all better than the competition. Oh, and the owners manual and maint. schedule handbooks are among the best written I've ever read. I've said enough! Time for a little "Veracruzing"!
 
sandy19, "Hyundai Veracruz: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #123, 26 Jun 2007 6:15 am
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Excellent post above gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Jul 04, 2007 (8:44 am)
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and it is more proof that Hyundai is here rock-solid. I think that Hyundai should just put out the Genesis RWD car and keep it under the Hyundai badge. Keep the price competitive and keep the Long-Haul Warranty.
 
Hyundia/Kia execs made an announcement around 2002-2003 stating that the Long-Haul would be here through 2008, at least. I betcha they extend it past 2008. Like an above poster said a great Warranty is a must these days. Hyundai/Kia's move to offer this Warranty has gained them who-knows-how-many-mega-sales. Finbarr O'Neill was spot on to offer a similar year and mileage Warranty when he got to Mitsubishi.
 
gagrice-interesting point about Hyundai paint. I was more than impressed with both of my Kia's paint jobs and their ability to hold up long-term. I have read of some doubt about Kia Spectra paint jobs from 2002-2004 models, IIRC. Read about them here on Edmunds if you want. Some chipping and flaking evidently. Who knows, with the strikes they have over there and that some-of-the-time worker discontent, it could be an inside job of some sort.
 
I am impressed with the 2007 Hyundai Elantra as well. A supermarket across the street from the hospital here in Willcox must employ someone with a new Elantra 'cause I see it there all the time. Sort of a Violet Mist type color that Kia painted on to my '99 Sephia. This new Elantra looks better in person than on the internet. It has some interesting curves built in. For the price and that Warranty it can't be matched by Toyota and Honda. Mitsubishi's Lancer does top it, but that's another story for another day. Eh?
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Re: Excellent post above gagrice... [iluvmysephia1] by tenpin288
Jul 04, 2007 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 04, 2007 8:44 am)

FYI, Hyundai has announced that the Long Haul warranty has been extended through 2010.
 
Warranty extended
 
 
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tenpin... by iluvmysephia1
Jul 04, 2007 (3:21 pm)
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as for the Long Haul Warranty being extended through 2010...
 
Coolio! Topped off with an Iglasius!
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My Thoughts... by jchan2
Jul 04, 2007 (5:46 pm)
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There is room for Hyundai, but they cannot stumble along for ten years or so like Infiniti did. They need to nail everything right out of the gate- warranty, quality, driving experience, dealership experience, features, horsepower, the quality of soft drinks served in the waiting areas, EVERYTHING. If Hyundai makes one mistake with this large investment, the competition will eat them alive.
 
Genesis seems like a very good name to me, but I could live with almost any name.
 
As for the Veracruz, I was extremely impressed with it, especially given that a fully loaded one stickered at $36K MSRP. The only thing it lacks is a factory Navigation system with XM NavTraffic, but I can live without it.
 
I was extremely impressed with the Santa Fe also. Fuel economy seems to be the car's only downfall, but the price for a base Santa Fe is very attractive.
 
For Genesis, I could see the Azera and Veracruz moving over, but both need a little tweaking in feature content before they could move over. Both would need to drop the base cloth models and add some tech features. (Navigation with Real Time Traffic, Bluetooth, DVD Entertainment in the Azera, heated and cooled seats, heated rear seats, etc.)
 
The quality in recent Hyundai products is also very impressive. I really don't see a point in buying an Aveo when I could get an Accent for about the same price (or even less) and have it be a better car. (IMO)
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jchan2... by iluvmysephia1
Jul 05, 2007 (6:40 am)
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don't forget about the Kia Rio. The Kia Rio5 made it to the final 28 cars in the Motor Trend 'Best Cars' 2006 list. It is a good little car in sedan or hatch Rio5 version. Not to forget the Long Haul Warranty and about 32mpg city and 35mpg highway. Same for the Accent, yes.
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Re: jchan2... [iluvmysephia1] by jchan2
Jul 05, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 05, 2007 6:40 am)

Aren't the Rio and Accent essentially the same car underneath?

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