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#3895 of 4250 Re: Updated report [backy] by tjc78 Nov 02, 2009 (9:36 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 31, 2009 12:01 pm) Others have mentioned things like "unsettled" over uneven pavement and stuff like that. But only one saying "clunking." If there's others, I know some folks who post here regularly who will probably bring them to our attention.   I have used the "unsettled" word in my description of the Genesis's ride on certain surfaces. I have also said it rides a bit firm for MY TASTES, having said that I have not heard any suspension noises that could be considered a "clunk". FWIW my GFs '08 Elantra has no such noise either and actually has a very nice riding suspension setup.   Recently on an under construction and bumpy highway I actually had to give my Genesis a thumbs up with the way it handled it. Firm, yes, but other than some minor transmission of the bumps through the steering it was very controlled and secure even at 70 - 75 MPH.   I just can't believe that there is a wide spread suspension problem with this vehicle. On a subjective level it is firm and depending on your tastes that is either a good or bad thing. On certain roads it can get a little harsh but no more so than a 5 series or M35.
#3896 of 4250 Agreed by espo35 Nov 02, 2009 (9:56 am)
"I just can't believe that there is a wide spread suspension problem with this vehicle. On a subjective level it is firm and depending on your tastes that is either a good or bad thing."   Well-said. Replies to this message: m4d_cow (Nov 02, 2009 10:51 pm)
#3899 of 4250 Re: Agreed [espo35] by m4d_cow Nov 02, 2009 (10:51 pm)
Replying to: espo35 (Nov 02, 2009 9:56 am) LOL now that's interesting. I personally think Gen's suspension is a bit soft. This kind of thing is subjective, some like it pillowy like Towncar, some like it Infiniti/BMW firm, I'm with the latter. Again, I've never heard of any widespread suspension problem on Gen, perhaps the tester got a lemon?   Backy: yup, there're always people wanting more and more for the money.
#3900 of 4250 Hyundai Not a Luxury Car company by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:19 am)
If the Genesis, or any Hyundai car, was a true luxury car, this topic would not even exist.        The main qualifier for a true luxury car is that it is perceived by the public, especially those in the upper echelons, as a luxury/prestige car. Neither the Genesis nor the Equus has met this standard. AMC, Studebaker, Ford, Chevrolet, Plymouth and many others all made “luxury” cars at one time or another, but the public did not perceive them as such. Genesis is not a luxury car in the sense that BMW, Lexus, M-B, Infiniti, Acura, etc. are luxury cars. It is just a very nicely equipped upscale sedan at a low price. Enjoy the car and the value you place in it, but do not try to make it something it is not. Replies to this message: espo35 (Nov 03, 2009 7:38 am) backy (Nov 03, 2009 5:05 pm)
#3901 of 4250 Re: Huh? [backy] by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:32 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 31, 2009 1:00 pm) You cherry picked! You could say I did the same thing, but my intention is to confirm that there are issues/concerns with the Genesis suspension/ride, not give an oveall assessment of the car.       Also, I listed sources so everyone can go to them and read complete articles/reports/reviews.       For instance, you did not cite the Consumers.Guide.com comments and rating on the suspension/ride. Nor did you give the overall score compared to the average in its class. 3.8 w/Premium Plus: 6, Class Average: 7.9 Scores for large premium cars: Low Score-67; Class Average Score-74.4; High Score-87. Genesis Score: 73 Maximum score possible-110.   Genesis scores below average, even with several really top scores. Replies to this message: tenpin288 (Nov 03, 2009 6:58 am) backy (Nov 03, 2009 4:57 pm)
#3902 of 4250 Re: Now, now... [m4d_cow] by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:34 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 01, 2009 2:40 am) The "updates" consisted of changing struts and Hyundai has replaced struts on 06 and 07 models with the new ones with NO improvement in ride.
#3903 of 4250 Re: Huh? [wayne52] by carolinabob Nov 03, 2009 (6:43 am)
Replying to: wayne52 (Oct 31, 2009 9:08 am) Last April's New Car issue of Consumer Reports had an article on the manufacturers. Hyundai as a brand had three negatives: Suspension, low fuel economy and low resale value.      It is a difficult decision because the Genesis does have some really superlative reviews, but it is also brand new from a company with an improving, but spotted history. It is also their first RWD and V8.     My philosophy is to let someone else be the guinea pig and prove the car over the long haul.
#3904 of 4250 Re: Huh? [carolinabob] by tenpin288 Nov 03, 2009 (6:58 am)
Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 03, 2009 6:32 am) If you want to cite numbers try these from Consumer Reports, probably a more recognized name than Consumer Guide (and from your previous posts, you do seem to respect what CU says)   In the category of "upscale Sedans" with a score range of a low of 43 to a high of 92, the Genesis' score--92! That is the highest score in that CU category!   In the area of owner satisfaction and the question "would you buy this vehicle again?", with a percentage range of 52 on the low side and 88 on the high side-- the Genesis' score--84%! That score was only topped by the Acura TL AWD (88). This category includes BMW 335i Sedan AWD (83), Toyota Avalon (81), Volkswagen CC 4-cyl (79), Lexus ES (79), Infiniti G Sedan (78), Hyundai Azera (76), Lexus IS350 (74), Lexus IS250 AWD (65), and so on. The median score in this class is 74. See Bob, we can cite numbers and figures also, and the vast majority of what I have read or seen are positive.   Could there be a design problem or flaw with the Genesis suspension? Possibly, but it is more likely a suspension tuning issue. Remember that one of the comments made by the press when they tested the KDM Genesis early on was that it was too soft for the US market, so Hyundai stiffened it up for the US and evidently went a little too far for the expectations of some in its class.

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