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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4250 messages,  Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 6:46 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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Re: sandwiched between the Taurus SHO and the Avalon Limited [steve_] by backy
Oct 25, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 25, 2009 3:11 pm)

I've only been in one car, a Lexus, that had cooled seats. It was OK but I could do without it. In MN, heated seats (with leather) are much more useful.
 
I am a bit surprised Hyundai didn't add the cooled passenger seat for 2010. Lack of that feature was noted by quite a few owners in their reviews--many more than noted a problem with the suspension. Yet they tweaked the suspension. I noticed though, apparently a telescopic steering column is now standard on the base Genesis 3.8 (if Edmunds.com can be believed--and it can, right, Steve? ) That was a strange omission in the 2009 Genesis given that many econoboxes have telescopic steering columns.
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Re: sandwiched between the Taurus SHO and the Avalon Limited [backy] by british_rover
Oct 26, 2009 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2009 5:09 pm)

I have been in many, many cars with cooled seats and generally they give me a kind of weird, "someone is walking across your grave feeling." They just feel strange give me the creepy crawlies and I don't particularly care for them. I will say that the set up on cooled seats has been getting better. I don't feel as weird using them in a new Rover or Volvo then I did in a Lexus, Merc or Lincoln back a few years ago.
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Re: sandwiched between the Taurus SHO and the Avalon Limited [british_rover] by steve_ HOST
Oct 26, 2009 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 26, 2009 1:04 pm)

It usually hits 105 here every summer (but it's a dry heat - like a pizza oven ) so some extra cooling could be nice.
 
I sure don't want any more leather seats. Heated cloth please for my next (first?) luxury ride.
 
Automobile magazine is testing a Genesis - an update came out today on the web with this tidbit:
 
"During one particularly sweltering drive, bassist Sedghi Zubin praised the air-cooled front seats. "Few things can ease the pain of sitting in Manhattan gridlock; one of them, I've now realized, is not having a sweaty backside."
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Re: reality [espo35] by carolinabob
Oct 28, 2009 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: espo35 (Oct 23, 2009 12:54 pm)

BS! Hyundai customers are those that can't get financing anywhere else. Look at the ads on TV, in magazines and in newspapers-that is who they are targeting.
    Hyundai is not now and probably never will be a true luxury make, no matter how many Genesis, Equus, etc. they put out there. True, they do exceptionally well at loading their cars up with very nice features, but look closely at BMW, Infiniti, Acura, M-B, etc and you will see a vast difference. I did and that is why I am not buying a Genesis even with the Hyundai Associates Purchase Program discount. And I really, really tried to convince myself to get a Genesis. Couldn't do it.
    In three and five years, look at the resale value of Genesis, Equus, etc. compared to the others - that will tell the story. Hyundai in general has one of lowest resale values of any car on the market. They make cheap cars and how do they make them cheaper? That is the real question.
     A TRUE luxury car is one you are proud to drive and happy with, not one you you saved some money on - and that is Hyundai's chief attribute.
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Re: reality [carolinabob] by backy
Oct 28, 2009 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2009 12:47 pm)

I assume it's OK to be proud to drive and be happy with a Hyundai, AND have saved money on it--both on initial purchase and on depreciation. That is the case with the Hyundai I currently own, and with the one I owned for 5-1/2 years but sold a couple of years ago.
 
 
 
P.S. My FICO is in the 820s range last time I checked.
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Re: reality [carolinabob] by houdini1
Oct 28, 2009 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2009 12:47 pm)

And I really, really tried to convince myself to get a Genesis. Couldn't do it.
 
Are you saying that they would not finance you ?
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Re: reality [carolinabob] by british_rover
Oct 28, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2009 12:47 pm)

Actually he is right. The old Ford Motor Credit captive finance arm, who I have the most experience with selling Land Rovers and Volvos, would buy basically anyone as long as their was a decent down payment. The rate would be in the high teens but you could get a loan. Even now with lending requirements very tight so that say Chase or US bank won't buy someone Volvo Credit probably will if there is a large enough down payment.
 
You could be in the low 500 range but if you had over 30% down Ford would buy that loan. The rate would just be 18.9 ++++ percent.
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Re: sandwiched between the Taurus SHO and the Avalon Limited [steve_] by carolinabob
Oct 28, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 25, 2009 11:34 am)

In 2006 and 2007 all the same sources, TV, financial, automotive, etc. referred to here were saying the same wonderful things about the Azera.
   Now the only good thing you hear is that you can pick one up for a song as a used car or as a new one because they are not selling and/or low resale values.
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Re: reality [houdini1] by carolinabob
Oct 28, 2009 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 28, 2009 1:04 pm)

NO, I could have paid cash for it, but there are too many complaints and too many negative comments about the car already. Wait till people start getting 20, 30, 50,000 miles on them. I test drove three different ones trying to find one that rode well - couldn't do it. There are even complaints on the official Hyundai Think Tank site-and it has a membership test to join.
   Almost every review I read had negative comments re: the suspension/ride. Even 54% of the subscribers to Consumer Reports forum were dissatisfied with the ride. Also, when you look close at the interior and the other features and then compare to the true luxury makes, you can spot the differences.
    Also, Hyundai Motors America, in my dealings with them, has been very poor compared to the luxury makes. Ironically, I have received better customer service from Lexus, M-B, Infiniti and Acura at the national level even though I do not own one of them than I have received from HMA even though I own an Azera.
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Re: reality [carolinabob] by backy
Oct 28, 2009 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 28, 2009 2:16 pm)

So you don't like the way the 2009 Genesis (I assume you haven't driven the 2010 model yet) rides. Fine. You don't like the interior. Fine. You don't like HMA's customer service. Fine. You should buy a car you like, from a company that gives you an acceptable level of service.
 
Why add the sweeping (and inaccurate) generalizations about the credit of Hyundai buyers?

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