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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4201 messages,  Last post on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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When it comes to looks by m4d_cow
Jul 12, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Few cars out there can get me gawking. I once actually gasped at the sight of RR Phantom next to my car, particularly because it looked perfectly capable of flattening my car (or at least threw mine out of the road).
 
When Equus comes to the state, assuming the looks wont change, we'll have a real hard time tellking whether it's a Hyundai or a MB S-clss knockoff (as they dont sell Crowns in US).
 
Currently the only Hyundai products capable of making my head turn are Gen coupe, and probably the upcoming Kia Forte. Now that (Forte) looks cool despite Kia's obvious copying of some Honda Civic's lines.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [fintail] by toye
Jul 12, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 12, 2009 8:19 am)

Maybe gawking is a little over the top for describing people's reaction to the Genesis but it certainly gets everyone's attention or curriousity.
 
I live near the beach in Fort Lauderdale and the most common cars in the immediate area are MB,BMW, Lexus, and Infinity. The Toyotas, Honda and Hyundai are in the suburbs where the middle class families reside. Luxury cars in my area come a dime a dozen.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [toye] by bobad
Jul 12, 2009 (2:35 pm)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 11, 2009 7:41 pm)

Most reviewers felt that it looked like a imitation, or that it was a combination of several luxury brands.
 
That's just lazy reviewers.
 
There's nothing new under the sun. Every car has styling features that look like several other cars. Building a car that looks like no other in any way is nearly impossible and fully suicidal. There's a very fine line between "unique" and "weird".
 
Combine the above with size and aerodynamic constraints, and designers have very little to work with.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [toye] by fintail
Jul 12, 2009 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 12, 2009 9:40 am)

I am in the same type area re: luxury cars. Nothing really gets me going unless it is some kind of super-limited edition of a car I already like.
 
I'll admit my head turned for the first couple Genesis I saw, as I had never seen them before. But after that, it's just kind of like a 5er to me.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [bobad] by fintail
Jul 12, 2009 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: bobad (Jul 12, 2009 2:35 pm)

Add to that there are very few car designers anymore who aren't lemmings, and everything will be derivative of something else. Hofmeister kinks, MB grilles and lights, Japanese body cues...it all gets recycled.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [fintail] by toye
Jul 12, 2009 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 12, 2009 5:35 pm)

The most popular luxury car by far in my area is the BMW 3 series... The 7 series is sharp but I have to say that I dislike the looks of the 5 series on the rear end. It just doesn't appeal to me, Thats just my preference.
 
PS I've never been in the 5 or 7 series but in a 3 series plenty of times
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [toye] by backy
Jul 12, 2009 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 12, 2009 6:20 pm)

If you consider the 3 Series a "luxury" car. If it is, then the Genesis sedan certainly is.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [toye] by fintail
Jul 12, 2009 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 12, 2009 6:20 pm)

I don't like the front of the 5er, and the previous 7er was pretty unsightly too - the update is an improvement. At least Hyundai hasn't tried to Bangle-ize anything yet.
 
A 3er isn't really a luxury car...a premium car, yes.
 
On the styling note, I will admit I am not so turned off by the weird beltline dip behind the B-pillar of the coupe. I'm still really not seeing any coupes on the road though.
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Re: The Genesis and its exterior styling. [fintail] by toye
Jul 13, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 12, 2009 8:19 pm)

Fintail,
Your right on the 3 series it really isn't a luxury but premium, but as materialistic as South Forida is many people here crave a BMW and the 3 series is the only BMW that comes close to being affordable. It's that prestige factor, or status symbol that many people crave. Hell with the bad economy many people have had to give up their "baby" for something more afordable. I know two women that took over leases of 3 series because of the original owners couldn't keep up with the payments.
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3-series by m4d_cow
Jul 14, 2009 (6:42 am)
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is indeed viewed as the it cars for those wannabes. Me, I personally classify it in the same class as Infiniti G, entry level luxury.
 
Of course, the barrier between entry level luxury and upper level near luxury is very blur indeed. As more and more cars are trying to fill in every niche gap in existence the classifications will at one point become way too complex for humanity to comprehend IMO.
 
Bobad: nothing new under the sun? I disagree. Then what do you call Audi's current theme? No other company has yet to create such style. There are several (but few) automakers that offer distinct styling, Cadillac and Audi are some of them, and to some extent, Infiniti.
 
IMO we can;t really use Japanese brands as the styling cue, as they're mostly copying from European designs. I'm really curious to see if Hyundai will, one day, find it's own original theme, one that can last that is.

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