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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

3963 messages,  Last post on Nov 06, 2009 at 9:35 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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Re: Made the top 5 [ateixeira] by backy
Jun 24, 2009 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 24, 2009 8:41 am)

Actually the JD Powers IQS doesn't just measure defects but asks about buyers' opinions of car design, features etc. That is a relatively recent change in the IQS--in the past it did just measure defects. But I agree that Hyundai's bump up in the IQS is impressive when you consider it included the all-new Genesis sedan (with lots of techno-features, btw), a reworked Sonata, and the relatively new Veracruz (also a model with lots of gizmos that could break). I don't think the Genesis coupe and Elantra Touring were out in time to be included in this most recent IQS.
 
I think the need for automakers to compete with each other on technology outweighs any tendency they might have to hold back on tech because of the implications in their JD Power IQS score.
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by fintail
Jun 24, 2009 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 24, 2009 9:25 am)

I hope all that silver is actually metal and not plastic.
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Re: Made the top 5 [fintail] by backy
Jun 24, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 24, 2009 10:37 am)

Titanium alloy no doubt.
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Re: Made the top 5 [fintail] by lemko
Jun 24, 2009 (11:33 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 24, 2009 10:37 am)

Ah, you know those Genesis interiors are made from those ultra-exotic materials known as plood, pleather, and pluminum!
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Re: Made the top 5 [lemko] by ateixeira
Jun 25, 2009 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 24, 2009 11:33 am)

I think the leather is actually real.
 
Not sure about the wood and aluminum, though.
 
Real aluminum can be a bad thing - it dings very easily, such as when you hit a briefcase against it. And then good luck getting that dent out.
 
Plastic is usually painted and that scratches, but it's far more resilient than aluminum.
 
Wood looks great but over time it can warp and crack. And of course the appearance will depend on the quality of the finish.
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Interior by m4d_cow
Jul 08, 2009 (12:01 am)
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Regarding the interior, well even without the badge I'd never mistake it for something costing more than 50k.
 
The leather is real, I'm very sure of it. Lexusgrade? No, but about the same level as Acura or Cadillac IMO.
 
The wood and metal, no matter what some others here say, are definitely plastic. I will never change my opinion about that. Wood is NOT flexable, plastiwood is. Real metal heats up fast, plastic doesn't.
 
All things said, the quality of those materials are good, and overall, an effort worthy of praise.
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Re: Interior [m4d_cow] by bobad
Jul 08, 2009 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 08, 2009 12:01 am)

Did you see the R/R being manufactured on Discovery/History channel?
 
All "wood" panels are actually plastic, covered with very thin wood veneer. So yea, "wood" parts can be flexible. But I don't think the Genesis has any real wood, not AFAIK.
 
I read on one of the auto magazine sites (or maybe saw it on TV) that the Genesis console was real aluminum. Unless the aluminum is paper thin, it's very durable.
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Re: Interior [bobad] by m4d_cow
Jul 09, 2009 (12:24 am)
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Replying to: bobad (Jul 08, 2009 10:40 am)

Hoo interesting, I should watch that.... I wonder if RR is breaking from tradition, though it's only natural since plastic layers increase the durability of the materials.
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Re: Interior [bobad] by houdini1
Jul 09, 2009 (2:56 am)
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Replying to: bobad (Jul 08, 2009 10:40 am)

I have always wondered about that. Wood veneer accents are treated like gold when used in autos while hardwood floors in homes are nothing special. In fact most of our homes are built almost entirely from wood. We also burn it in our fireplaces. Sure I guess there are certain "exotic" woods but that is mostly just marketing hype. Just think of all the cheap wood veneer furniture that is around now.
 
If RR is using thin wood veneer over plastic just imagine what the other mfgs are using. Is there such a thing as "wood veneer paint"?
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Re: Interior [houdini1] by bobad
Jul 09, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 09, 2009 2:56 am)

If RR is using thin wood veneer over plastic just imagine what the other mfgs are using. Is there such a thing as "wood veneer paint"?
 
Actually, RR uses plastic as a quality measure. Real wood panels would rattle and crack in a short time. The plastic panels are more stable, and should last 30 years if kept out of the sun. I'm no fan of plastic, but in this case, it's the best solution. RR used gorgeous walnut burl veneer in the program I watched. I suppose they would use any wood you choose, because each car is custom built.
 
All the glues they use to secure the panels, upholstery, insulation, etc. is where much of the "new car smell" comes from. No wonder you feel giddy riding in a new car.

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