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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4250 messages,  Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 6:46 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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Re: The Hyundai Cinderella Story [m4d_cow] by ateixeira
May 28, 2009 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (May 28, 2009 3:01 am)

Oh my, is it even possible? We all agree on something.
 
Quick, back to disagreeing about Hyundai. I'm starting to feel too warm and fuzzy.
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Re: The Hyundai Cinderella Story [ateixeira] by m4d_cow
May 29, 2009 (4:52 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 28, 2009 7:58 am)

That's easy to do, but where do we start from?
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Made the top 5 by steve_ HOST
Jun 22, 2009 (9:30 am)
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Porsche was the No. 2 brand, followed by GM's Cadillac, then Hyundai and Honda.
 
Lexus was No. 1. This is the annual Initial Quality study, not one of the long term ones.
 
"J.D. Power credited the improvement to several well-received new models that were launched in 2009. It said vehicles like Hyundai's Genesis, Kia's Borrego, Toyota's Venza and Volkswagen's CC performed better than their segment averages. Several redesigned 2009 models also scored well, J.D. Power said."
 
Study: Detroit lifts quality but Toyota still king (Yahoo)
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by fintail
Jun 22, 2009 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 22, 2009 9:30 am)

As I have seen zero of them on the road, I have no proof that the Borrego actually exists
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by ateixeira
Jun 22, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 22, 2009 9:30 am)

It's a good sign, but IMHO not very meaningful, as it only covers the first 90 days of ownership (when you're under warranty anyway). In other words, it's not a good predictor of long-term durability.
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Re: Made the top 5 [ateixeira] by hjc1
Jun 22, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 22, 2009 11:32 am)

I have owned a 04 XG350, 07 Azera and now own a 08 loaded Entourage. All 3 cars never had any problems.. I wish I could say that about The Toyota products and Audi cars that I have owned before. I'm sold on Hyundai products and the dealership that I deal with.
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by houdini1
Jun 23, 2009 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 22, 2009 9:30 am)

Thanks for posting that report. The most amazing thing to me was that Lexus, the top brand, had .84 problems per vehicle while Mini, the worst brand had only 1.62 problems per vehicle. A difference of less than one problem per car separated first from last.
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Re: Made the top 5 [houdini1] by steve_ HOST
Jun 23, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jun 23, 2009 5:27 am)

Yeah, cars are lots better than they used to be.
 
I don't read the MINI boards so I'm not up to speed on it, but I don't see many reliability complaints over in Edmunds Answers. The other "bad" brand, Land Rover, gets awful reviews in the forum, but most of those relate to the Freelander.
 
Hyundai doesn't seem to think they offer a luxury brand:
 
Hyundai is the Highest Ranked Non-Premium Nameplate in the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study (PR Newswire)
 
Funny, the source link at Hyundai is down. Maybe someone didn't like the "non-premium" characterization.
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by carolinabob
Jun 23, 2009 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 23, 2009 7:08 am)

The problem with JD Power is that the survey sample is very small and who selects it anyway. First 90 days is meaningless, first 3 years is what counts.
Also, JD Power has so many categories that most products can find a slot to be in top 3, if not number 1.
  Glad to see Hyundai improving, but they were 3rd in 06, ? in 07, 13th in 08 and now 4th in 09 in JD Power per Autoweek.
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Re: Made the top 5 [steve_] by backy
Jun 23, 2009 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 23, 2009 7:08 am)

Hyundai doesn't seem to think they offer a luxury brand:
 
Maybe because Hyundai is NOT a luxury brand/nameplate. Just like Toyota is not a luxury brand. But that doesn't mean that Hyundai cannot produce a car that competes against cars from luxury brands.

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