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#2431 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [backy] by captain2 May 21, 2009 (5:42 am)
Replying to: backy (May 20, 2009 12:34 pm) Yes, the Camaro is such a "gotta have" that it disappeared from the marketplace for, how many years very astute observation - sure the Camaro for 20 years (or more) was something less than desireable - as most cars of that time were. It does not, however, change the fact that it still is a car with a favorable legacy. You avoid my point, of course, name any Hyundai vehicle ever produced that has any sort of legacy (that is favorable ) The Genesis sedan may be the first Hyundai car ever that even has that possibility - only time will tell. Any Hyundai for $5k off at an auto show? Even an Accent? No wonder that their sales aren't hurting as bad as most the others, and the resale values tend to be so rotten - they continue to BUY all the business they can. As it relates to the topic of this particular forum, if Hyundai is ever to find a place as any kind of luxury mfgr., that insane discounting will have to slow down - true luxury cars sell because of content, quality, and perceived value - not because of how cheap they ultimately become! The Hyundai customer may never be able to understand that. Replies to this message: backy (May 21, 2009 7:42 am)
#2432 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [captain2] by backy May 21, 2009 (7:42 am)
Replying to: captain2 (May 21, 2009 5:42 am) You didn't read my post. The Genesis sedan was sitting next to the registration counter for a $5000-off-ANY-new-car drawing at the auto show. One winner per day, you can apply the $5000 to any car you choose (no, I didn't win). You are so eager to leap to negative conclusions about Hyundai that you don't take time to read and understand what people are saying here. Hyundai didn't even ante up the prize money--it was sponsored by the auto show. But Hyundai was astute enough to put one of its flagship cars at the one spot (and it was also 20 feet from the ticket booths) where almost everyone who attended the auto show would be sure to stop and linger for a few minutes--to fill out the form for the $5000 prize. I guess they don't get any credit from you for that nifty marketing move, either.   As for favorable legacy... how long does that have to be? Hyundai has only been in the U.S. since 1986. The Elantra and Santa Fe, for two, have a solid legacy since late 2000. Not long compared to brands like Chevy that have been around forever, but a start.
#2433 of 4250 Flavor of the Month? by ateixeira May 21, 2009 (10:58 am)
C/D had a particular car in mind for the winner of the comparo before it began   I'm about 80% accurate in picking the finishing order in any C&D comparo before I read it. They are *very* predictable. Start by putting BMW in first place if it's a luxury comparo or Honda in 1st if it's in the economy class.   Plus, you may as well replace "Gotta Have It" with "Flavor of the Month". The Camaro is hot now, just like the Mustang was hot when it was updated...for a year or so. Then you need special editions to maintain interest (Bullitt, GT350, GT500). Interest in those never lasts long.   the Coupe ought to be a Hyundai   Probably so, ditch the Genesis name.   I can see folks lined up to order and/or get a look at the new Camaro but not so with any Hyundai product   At the car show there were plenty of people gawking at the Equus. backy noticed the same thing.
#2434 of 4250 Funny review... by ateixeira May 21, 2009 (12:03 pm)
They like it, and my favorite part is this:   "I'm having a hard time finding things that are wrong with it, really."   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz3L6wA1bY&feature=channel   At the end he says he'd buy it no matter whether it was called an Oldsmobile or a Yugo.   Pretty humorous. I like that he admitted his bias against it yet could find nothing wrong.
#2435 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [backy] by joe97 May 21, 2009 (12:58 pm)
Replying to: backy (May 20, 2009 7:58 am) If you look at C/D's evaluation, you'll notice that the only thing the Camaro "beat" the Genesis coupe on is "Gotta have it", which is a totally subjective (and I think ridiculous) criterion. If the editors had given the Camaro one less point there and the Genesis one more point, the Genesis would have won the comparo. The Genesis beat out the Camaro in the scoring categories related to the actual features and performance of the cars themselves.    C/D also understated the price of the Camaro on the cover of the mag by several thousand dollars. Typo? I wonder...    These two things lead me to believe that C/D had a particular car in mind for the winner of the comparo before it began.   Agreed. Also, I thought it was strange C/D only scored a 5 for the Genesis on the ride category, and a 9 for the Camaro. Really? That was a little fishy, I thought.   At the end of the day, the overall score was 203 Camaro and 202 for the Genesis, maybe a coincidence, maybe not... Replies to this message: backy (May 21, 2009 2:46 pm) joe97 (May 21, 2009 3:29 pm) ateixeira (May 22, 2009 6:09 am)
#2436 of 4250 "The lineup that has the competition worried" by dean3927 May 21, 2009 (2:16 pm)
http://www.myride.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_id_int- - /6366/id/4;ride/id/30188
#2437 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [joe97] by backy May 21, 2009 (2:46 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (May 21, 2009 12:58 pm) Also, I thought it was strange C/D only scored a 5 for the Genesis on the ride category, and a 9 for the Camaro.   That was one part of the review that made sense to me. They did note the firm ride of the Genesis coupe compared to that of the Camaro. Replies to this message: joe97 (May 21, 2009 3:29 pm) ateixeira (May 22, 2009 6:09 am)
#2438 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [backy] by joe97 May 21, 2009 (3:29 pm)
Replying to: backy (May 21, 2009 2:46 pm) The ride of both vehicles weren't spectacular, and that was somewhat expected, but certainly, I did not feel the ride of the GC was so far off from Camaro's it warranted such a low score. I understand the test car was a Track model, so trade-off was in the cards, but still...   Overall, there were parts of the review that begged for questions; while others hit the points on the head. Bottom line, two excellent sport coupes each with their own merits and drawbacks - Camaro has the got-to-have-it edge (per C/D); the Genesis Coupe maintains as a more fun-to-drive car
#2439 of 4250 Re: Genesis vs. Ford vs. Nissan [backy] by ateixeira May 22, 2009 (6:09 am)
Replying to: backy (May 21, 2009 2:46 pm) Cars.com's review of the Camaro also complimented its ride (superior to the Mustang and Challenger in their opinion), so that's consistent with other reviews at least.
#2440 of 4250 Re: of course there is room... [fintail] by lightfootfl May 22, 2009 (7:12 am)
Replying to: fintail (May 19, 2009 1:40 pm) Greenhouse?? Just because you might like to look through slots rather than windows is no reason to condemn those of us who want to see out without twisting and turning etc as you might have to do in some vehicles. I think that windows any smaller than those seen here should not be allowed, because of restricted vision of the road. Try looking out of the Chrysler products. Is that what you want?? Of course we are all entitled to our opinion, and this is mine. van Replies to this message: fintail (May 22, 2009 7:31 am) lightfootfl (May 22, 2009 9:09 am) m4d_cow (May 22, 2009 10:01 am) fourteen14 (May 22, 2009 8:26 pm)

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