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Automotive News & Views Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Replying to: captain2 (May 19, 2009 1:47 pm) I was not surprised to see the results when compared to the Mustang GT and 370Z. Again, as I stated earlier, you are comparing it to a two seater and a car with a V8 punching out a ton of torque. All of these cars are very good entrants. IL and PM both have compared the Genesis Coupe to the G37, and I invite you to read those. Also, tenpin288 posted the GC vs. Camaro. There are also a ton of Genesis stand-alone review, and those are just some examples that support the point the Genesis is a very solid first effort (which somehow you disagreed with such point and claimed fanboism  )
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Replying to: joe97 (May 19, 2009 3:37 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (May 19, 2009 4:04 pm)  . Other than that I can see no resemblance. The back of the Azera do look like the old Honda Accords though. 
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Replying to: fintail (May 19, 2009 4:04 pm) There were crowds checking it out, even though it was closed up. There is definite interest and curiosity for it, at least. I think the naming of the new coupe is rather curious (perhaps even a mistake?), but it will help bring new buyers to Hyundai, the same way the Integra helped Acura in the early days. Integra wasn't a luxury car, but it still worked. Here's a history of Hyundai's approach: 1980s: attract customers based on price alone 1990s: focus on value and start building competent cars, warranty to grab attention 2000s: stretch the value concept to upscale price segments and sport compacts Acquiring Kia was key because they can occupy Hyundai's old slot from the 90s. |
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Replying to: joe97 (May 19, 2009 11:18 am) I'm not sure I agree. I think Equus-Genesis is more like a move from Lexus ES to GS. VW Paheton and Passat W8 may be failures. The former due to the company getting arrogant and overestimate it's image, and the latter for putting a ridiculous engine that's weird, problematic, and tough to fix. Instead of looking at Passat, how about using Touareg for comparison instead? A success.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (May 20, 2009 7:00 am) I was just using the S/E class as an example - one is higher than the other in the model matrix. I was not referring to the four cars are are on equal grounds, if you were interpreting as such.
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Replying to: joe97 (May 19, 2009 1:09 pm) I have, back to back, and I'm really satisfied. It's placed in the right class, fighting with the right cards. I admit the looks can still improve, but the handling and interior are awesome. Considering the price, the only decent contenders are Camaro and Mustang ( the only others are Altima, Accord and Camry coupe = bleak). Mustang v6 = trash IMO. So far I agree with C&D only Camaro can actually beat gen coupe. If Hyundai place Gen coupe to fight Nissan Z or Mazda RX8, that's a different story and I'd be harsher with my comments.
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Replying to: joe97 (May 20, 2009 7:17 am) |
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Replying to: joe97 (May 19, 2009 3:47 pm) Including me - believe or not. The Genesis coupe appears to be perfectly fine rice rocket - but in itself it is not as a remarkable achievement as the sedan is and for what it actually is (and priced as it is) it will do nothing to help Hyundai's efforts to make Genesis a 'luxury' brand. If this is what Hyundai is trying to do ( and I'm not so sure they are) then the Coupe ought to be a Hyundai NOT A GENESIS. The Equus OTH, a different story. |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (May 20, 2009 7:20 am) If you look at C/D's evaluation, you'll notice that the only thing the Camaro "beat" the Genesis coupe on is "Gotta have it", which is a totally subjective (and I think ridiculous) criterion. If the editors had given the Camaro one less point there and the Genesis one more point, the Genesis would have won the comparo. The Genesis beat out the Camaro in the scoring categories related to the actual features and performance of the cars themselves. C/D also understated the price of the Camaro on the cover of the mag by several thousand dollars. Typo? I wonder... These two things lead me to believe that C/D had a particular car in mind for the winner of the comparo before it began. 
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