Sign In Join 



Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4203 messages,  Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:55 AM

You are in the Automotive News & Views Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & claires

What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


Messages Page 233 of 421
1
...
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
...
421
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion

#2313 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [m4d_cow] by lemko
May 13, 2009 (6:55 am)
Reply

Replying to: m4d_cow (May 12, 2009 10:11 pm)

I thought it was the other way around. I thought Bentley was owned by BMW and Rolls by VW. Doesn't one of them use the same V-12 as used in the 7-Series?
#2314 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [lemko] by lokki
May 13, 2009 (9:04 am)
Reply

Replying to: lemko (May 13, 2009 6:55 am)

I thought Bentley was owned by BMW and Rolls by VW. Doesn't one of them use the same V-12 as used in the 7-Series?
 
It's a fun story. Volkswagen bought both Rolls Royce and Bently and their factories. They outbid BMW. However in an oversight that some VW attorney will never live down, they bought the company, but failed to buy the rights to the Rolls Royce name for use in automobiles.
 
Thus BMW picked up the Rolls Royce name for what amounted to a song, and started building completely new cars with the name Rolls Royce and didn't have to absorb the old factories, workers, or designs.
 
VW did own the name Bentley, and therefore make Bentleys but can't make Rolls.
 
The Rolls uses the BMW V12; the Bentley uses the VW/Audi W12 engine.
 
Interestingly enough the VW Phaeton was basically the same car as the Bentley so there's your "what's in a name" comparison and the accompanying lesson in how reputation impacts sales.
#2315 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [tayl0rd] by steve_ HOST
May 13, 2009 (9:21 am)
Reply

Replying to: tayl0rd (May 13, 2009 5:59 am)

Exact same parts, different wrapper
 
Except they may not be. Oh, they may be the same parts, but someone around here was relating the story about how the parts get graded and the ones that meet the highest criteria go into the name brand while the Grade B and C parts get put into the lower end models.
 
So, same parts, but your chances of getting a lemon are less with the name brand.
#2316 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [lokki] by lemko
May 13, 2009 (10:06 am)
Reply

Replying to: lokki (May 13, 2009 9:04 am)

What was the last Rolls-Royce to use the 412 V-8? Rolls-Royces of the 1970s and 1980s were sort of a mish-mash drivetrain-wise. I believe it was a Rolls-Royce engine with an old GM Hydramatic transmission and it employed some kind of arcane weird hydraulic system developed by Citroen.
#2317 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [houdini1] by m4d_cow
May 13, 2009 (10:18 am)
Reply

Replying to: houdini1 (May 13, 2009 4:39 am)

I only take Toyota as an example. And you're right, its not the only one. Infinitis are basically rebadged Nissans, Skyline (G), and Fuga (M) for example.
 
No, they're not necessarily a bad thing. Say if Hyundai decides to build a new luxury brand, and some parts are shared with Hyundai cars, it wont be a bad thing as long as they're sharing the good parts.
 
Audi TT = loads of VW parts, does that make it a bad car? Nope. Cadillac Escalade = glorified Tahoe, resulting in bad car? Yes, more like an overpriced Tahoe to me.
#2318 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [lemko] by m4d_cow
May 13, 2009 (10:21 am)
Reply

Replying to: lemko (May 13, 2009 10:06 am)

The prehistorical 6.75l v8 and 4-speed autobox remained until the pre-refreshed Arnage. Currently the arnage still uses that v8 but with new tranny (6 speed I believe).
Rolls isnt using BMW 7's engine, at least not directly. it's a 6.7L v-12 developed from BMW's 6.0 v12.
#2319 of 4203
For the record by lokki
May 13, 2009 (10:43 am)
Reply
Just for the record, I think that the Genesis is an excellent car.... I'm curious to see how the dealer experience works out... but from what I've heard here they're doing a good job. That I think, will ultimately be the long-term decision point for the Genesis line.
 
I don't think there's any question about the cars themselves. They're a success.
 
It's how Hyundai handles things when they go wrong... and things will go wrong... ask any BMW or Mercedes owner... I know. My first experience with 'luxury' service was back in the late 80's when I bought an Acura Integra. Acura handled their early model problems well. I remember thinking "I don't care what goes wrong with this car because Acura will fix it as quick as they can, and they're going to try like hell to do it right."
 
If Hyundai can give the same impression to their customers, they're going to rule the (near luxury) world.
#2320 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [m4d_cow] by tayl0rd
May 13, 2009 (10:48 am)
Reply

Replying to: m4d_cow (May 13, 2009 10:18 am)

... Audi TT = loads of VW parts, does that make it a bad car? Nope. Cadillac Escalade = glorified Tahoe, resulting in bad car? Yes, more like an overpriced Tahoe to me.
 
 
You base your opinion of the Escalade/Tahoe on what?
Your slip is showing...
 
To this day, VW cars are some of the most unreliable in the business. Don't believe me, hit the Golf, Touareg, et. al. forums... It's a shame, too, because I really like the Touareg a LOT, but I'd be horrified to own one. Following your opinion, the TT should be horrendous.
#2321 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [tayl0rd] by lemko
May 13, 2009 (10:56 am)
Reply

Replying to: tayl0rd (May 13, 2009 10:48 am)

Don't fall for the VW siren song which will lead you to be smashed upon the rocks of financial distress! Oh, they're pretty and fun - like that hot girl at the club you took home last night. Only thing is, you woke up this morning to find your wallet gone, $4,300 of unauthorized charges on your Visa card, your television missing, and an unexplicable skin rash.
#2322 of 4203
Re: Genesis vs 750 [lemko] by tayl0rd
May 13, 2009 (11:18 am)
Reply

Replying to: lemko (May 13, 2009 10:56 am)

LOL!

Messages Page 233 of 421
1
...
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
...
421
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion
To POST a message, please Sign In.

New? Join Now!

Forum Tools

Please sign in.
Email Address:

Password:

Forgot Password?

Search Forums

Enter Keyword(s)

Advanced Search

Browse by Vehicle



View All Vehicles
Advertisement
Ask the Community
See What People Are Asking

Browse by Board

Browse by Topic


View All Topics
Advertisement