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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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Re: If Hyundai... [bumpy] by gagrice
Jul 03, 2007 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jul 03, 2007 5:45 am)

It looks like I have 7 Hyundai dealers within 30 miles of my home. Five stand alone and two combo dealers. That should be enough. There are only 6 Honda dealers and 7 Nissan dealers in the same area.
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Re: Preliminary List [gagrice] by joe97
Jul 03, 2007 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 02, 2007 8:10 pm)

Do you think that Hyundai can ramp up production fast enough to supply another network of dealers?
 
Great question. Exactly why I think Hyundai has to do everything right (almost perfect) coming out of the gate (or don't do anything). In other words, they have to almost predict the number of orders (buyers) and the lead time. Preparation is the key.
 
Now regarding the question whether a luxury brand should be established? Hyundai has two routes to take (obviously), continue within its Hyundai brand, and divert outward to a new brand
 
For luxury brand:
 
Status conscious symbol
Past history and brand perception
 
For Hyundai brand:
 
Brand recognition, since the luxury will be starting out zero (good or bad). It will be up to Hyundai to build up like the Japanese three did. It won't be easy but it can be done.
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. by fintail
Jul 03, 2007 (7:38 am)
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VW tried luxury an fell flat on their face - and their entrant was not a horrible car, just wearing the wrong badge.
 
If a lux buyer won't seriously consider a German made luxobarge wearing a "VW" in a circle", why will he consider a Korean made unit wearing a swoopy "H" in an oval? That emblem will damn it, no matter how good the car is, itself.
 
Hyundai is 50 years off having legitimate lux chances. They might be able to get up into Lexus ES land, but not into REAL lux land.
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Re: . [fintail] by gagrice
Jul 03, 2007 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 03, 2007 7:38 am)

I don't see them trying to venture into the "S" or "LS" market, as VW tried to do. They are going after the money making "ES" and "RX", both re-badged Toyotas. Even the "E" class Mercedes would be a stretch. The difference these days in content is not what it was 20 years ago. I think one of the biggest selling points is the warranty. Buying a car today no matter what the brand, you need a warranty way into the future. Unless you dump it in 3-5 years. It used to cost $800 for a transmission rebuild. Today a Honda transmission is 5 grand.
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Re: . [fintail] by joe97
Jul 03, 2007 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 03, 2007 7:38 am)

The problem VW faced was the company tried to sell a $60K+ (base price) car, an amazing car nonetheless - the Hyundai entry will start less than 30K. Based on current demographic of the Azera & Veracruz, I don't think it will be a stretch to say Hyundai will enjoy the same success the Azera and the Veracruz have had so far.
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Re: . [joe97] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 03, 2007 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jul 03, 2007 7:50 am)

I don't see any luxury SUV with a diesel engine. That's simply not going to work in the $60,000 class. A diesel is a work engine, not a luxury engine IMO. The two concepts defeat each other. People spending money on luxury don't want to economize (the whole idea is to SPLURGE) and they certainly don't want association with Ford pickups or VW GTIs.
 
I also don't see the Hyundai name on a luxury vehicle. As someone mentioned, VW found out that doesn't work. Perhaps Hyundai could carry into the $40,000 range, maybe run with Acura, but that's about it.
 
The point really isn't whether Hyundai could BUILD a very competitive luxury car or SUV, the point is whether their brand image would support it. So my opinion is yes to the first--they could build a credible luxury car/SUV and no, they Hyundai name cannot support a price tag over $40,000 -- $45,000 more or less.
 
There are no Honda luxury cars, no Toyota luxury cars, no Chevrolet luxury cars....so Hyundai needs a new name.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by gagrice
Jul 03, 2007 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 03, 2007 8:22 am)

I believe if you check into the Mercedes E320 CDI, ML320 CDI and GL320 CDI they are VERY popular and not discounted as much as the other non diesel models. All in the $50k to $70k range. I really don't like the looks of the ML or GL but may be persuaded by the diesel engine. I don't think I am alone in this.
 
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I want luxury, economy and to do my part to save on fossil fuel. Diesel is the only option. I am looking for 30 MPG on the highway in a luxury SUV with alternate fuel. Got any other ideas.
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by docrw
Jul 03, 2007 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 03, 2007 8:22 am)

Are you serious, diesel is only for work engines? Mercedes has a fantastic turbo diesel in the E320, ML320 and soon to be GL320. It is smooth and refined and delivers a ton of torque. Soon Audi will also be putting a diesel into the Q7 and some sedans. Diesel engines are not just for big trucks anymore and with the Bluetec standards with lower emissions and clean diesel fuel there is relatively little downside and tremendous upside with fuel economy and no real loss in power. So go tell the people spending 50-60K on a Mercedes E320 that they are missing the point in spending that much money.
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Re: . [gagrice] by fintail
Jul 03, 2007 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 03, 2007 7:49 am)

I can agree with Hyundai meeting with acceptable success in that part of the market. I would believe it.
 
Maybe the "luxury" term is being overused here. These are cars that are midrange, with a little poshness. Real luxury in a new car today does not start at 30K.

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