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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4239 messages,  Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 6:53 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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Re: First time poster here [backy] by lemko
Jan 14, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:21 am)

Lots of poseurs out there. They'd rather have a Mercedes or a Lexus, etc. but they are too poor or cheap to buy one.
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Re: [fintail] by bobad
Jan 14, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 14, 2009 8:23 am)

Good try, but if you check my posts, I'm the guy who refuses to bow to any badge. According to your posts, you are the guy who has a fixation on badges. How bizarre.
 
Owners of other luxury cars are liking the Genesis, saying it stacks up well with other luxury cars they have owned. That's the ultimate testimonial, because there is probably little bias. How can you argue with that?
 
Why is it I don't remember ever seeing a badge on the Genesis?
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Re: [backy] by lemko
Jan 14, 2009 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:27 am)

What did Toyota's old logo look like? Anybody have any pics? It must've been pretty forgettable. Nissan still uses the old Datsun "hamburger." Honda's logo has been pretty consistant. Mazda had a pretty ugly logo until they changed it about 10 - 15 years ago.
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Re: [lemko] by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 14, 2009 10:19 am)

Why/how is it any different than Honda's H or Mazda's M?
 
I dunno, just asking.
 
To me it's a just a fairly generic letter. Honda's H is not skewed so they probably did that just to avoid litigation.
 
I don't see that as cheap, though.
 
Now *this* BYD logo screams cheap:
 
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Re: [lemko] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 14, 2009 10:27 am)

In the 80s Toyota had one that looked like a ship or a Viking boat or something, I remember it vaguely. They must have had something built around a T at some time, too.
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Logos by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (10:51 am)
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Hyundai's actually looks good in 3D:
 

 
though in 2D is definitely does not look nearly as good:
 

 
Do you feel like the chrome 3D logo looks cheap? I don't...
 
The 2D one, sure.
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Re: [bobad] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: bobad (Jan 14, 2009 10:26 am)

I have a fixation on bad marketing ideas, bad promotion, and poor images of the past.
 
Yeah, the Genesis is just walking away with the "luxury" market.
 
Can Hyundai do any wrong? The fanboys here are hilarious. Hyundai dealers maybe?
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Re: [backy] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 9:21 am)

And you first brought the Avalon and Maxima into the thread, which is not logical or consistent. Me adding another model to those which are overpriced somehow makes me worse? You then tried to compare the ES to the Genesis in terms of respect, which is ridiculous.
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My, my... by m4d_cow
Jan 14, 2009 (10:56 am)
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IMO the truth is Hyundai NEEDS to have a separate brand for a luxury division, particularly if it wishes to enter US market. Even Toyota with 20 years of stellar reputation in the luxo market with the Crown line (Royal, Majesta, Dinasty, etc...) still needed to create Lexus brand (remember that Lexus was initially a US only brand). It sold well in the early days even though those in the know realize perfectly that they were just rebadged Toyota luxury sedans.
 
In reality Hyundai still doesn't have customer service, image and products worth of true luxury class. Product pales in comparison with luxury competitors like Infiniti M and Lexus GS. Price-value means little in this class, as shown by Acura RL's horrific sales figure. Service isn't up to standard yet (experience will fix this imo), and image will improve along with time and service quality.
 
Hyundai was being hasty at first, positioning the Gen to challenge the midsize luxury market. Then it wisen up, chosing to move up to near luxury class first and compete with the likes of ES and Maxima. I believe Hyundai's making sure not to make the same mistake VW did (can you say Phaeton???)
 
I'm not saying Hyundai has no chance, I'm just saying Hyundai needs more time and experience.

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