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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

4204 messages,  Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:48 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Equus, Hyundai Genesis, Car Comparisons


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Re: [backy] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:27 am)

Olds had a foot in the grave even then...
 
Old memories can hurt attempts at improving an image even when the cars are a thousand times better than a mere 20 years ago. Why would Toyota change its badge if not trying to improve image? It's a subtle, perhaps even subconscious ideal.
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Re: [backy] by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:27 am)

Toyota already had a well-established reputation for quality cars and strong sales when they changed their badge
 
That pretty much describes most Hyundais nowadays.
 
The Sonata was Consumer Reports most reliable car in their survey recently, #1, ahead of all Lexus models.
 
The extended warranty strategy worked to improve their image. People do not even remember the Excel, even if you do.
 
They still have weaker cars in the lower price segments but again, you gotta start somewhere, why not at the top?
 
Sales have been growing, too.
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Re: [fintail] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 14, 2009 8:58 am)

Maybe Toyota created the oval badge because it didn't have a badge before--just "TOYOTA" on the back of its cars. So they thought, "Hmmm, Lexus has a badge so maybe we should give Toyota a badge too, somewhat similar in design but different, to be consistent and connect our two different units."
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Re: [ateixeira] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 14, 2009 9:11 am)

I remember the Excel because I was driving during those days, but I don't let those memories of those cars from a generation ago convince me that Hyundai's cars are horse manure now. I have over eight years of Hyundai ownership experience and lots more driving experience of Hyundais, plus other info like the CR stats you mentioned, to give me a more accurate picture of where Hyundai is TODAY.
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Re: [backy] by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 9:18 am)

Me too. They were $4995 new, remember that?
 
Of course all you had to do was wait 2 years, they were worth $2000, but they already had rust on them.
 
To be fair, what did people expect for $4995? You had to spend $10-11 grand, at least, to get even a good compact car.
 
Nothing at all in common with Hyundai's lineup today, IMHO. Except maybe the low price (even then, not as low as the Excel).
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Re: [fintail] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 14, 2009 8:19 am)

Yes, one who lumps the ES in with the Genesis in some bizarre comparison certainly has a right to lecture others about logic and consistency...
 
Since you were the one who brought the Lexus ES into this thread, you are saying then that gives you the right to lecture us about logic and consistency?
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Re: [ateixeira] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 14, 2009 9:20 am)

Actually, in today's dollars, some of Hyundai's cars, specifically the Accent, are about the same price as the Excel. Pretty amazing when you compare what you could get in 1986 to what you can get today for basically the same bucks.
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Re: [backy] by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 9:24 am)

Accent exists just so they can say they have the lowest priced car.
 
It's existence is definitely an obstacle for the Genesis' image.
 
But so is the A-class for any AMG or S-class.
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Re: [backy] by lemko
Jan 14, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 13, 2009 8:45 pm)

Cheap chromed plastic or not, it still looks a billion times better than the "swoopy H." Kia made the same mistake with the Amanti. It looks nice until you see the Kia oval which simply screams "CHEAP!!!"
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Re: First time poster here [backy] by lemko
Jan 14, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:21 am)

Lots of poseurs out there. They'd rather have a Mercedes or a Lexus, etc. but they are too poor or cheap to buy one.

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