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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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Re: First time poster here [fintail] by joshuag
Jan 14, 2009 (3:57 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 13, 2009 12:57 pm)

Everyone is talking about the swoopy H, and I went and looked at a Genesis and I didn't notice if it even had a H on the car, or a Hyundai badging anywhere on the car. But, I don't think that is going to matter because people are going to find out what it is anyway. And when they find out, truly I don't think it is going to matter because it is really a beautiful car for the money.
 
As for the question as to whether there is room for Hyundai in the luxury car segment. The answer is I dont think so right now. I think they need a little more time in the market building high quality beautiful cars for a great price. They need to be building these cars long enough that when people here the word Hyundai they don't think of a rusty old Excel.
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Naysayers by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (7:30 am)
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Remember, Lexus had a lot of naysayers in 1990 as well.
 
I'm not saying Gensis is the same as the 1990 LS400, but it's definitely a step in the direction they want to be heading in.
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Re: [backy] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 13, 2009 8:45 pm)

Yes, one who lumps the ES in with the Genesis in some bizarre comparison certainly has a right to lecture others about logic and consistency...
 
I forgot, according to the Hyundai fanboys here, the swoopy H can do no wrong, everything is done with logic and reason, the pink of perfection in the automotive realm, and to question the actions of these automotive gods is akin to spitting on the pope
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Re: First time poster here [joshuag] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: joshuag (Jan 14, 2009 3:57 am)

If there is no room for Hyundai in the luxury car segment, how do you explain that the Genesis sedan is already outselling some of its more established competitors after being on the market for only about 6 months?
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Re: [bobad] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: bobad (Jan 13, 2009 8:43 pm)

It's nice that you feel that way. As someone who worships at the altar of the swoopy H, I wouldn't expect otherwise.
 
Toyota remade it's badge into the belt buckle we see now, right around the time Lexus hit the market, the bigger better 92 Camry hit the market, and the whole organization was ambitiously moving up. It's not a coincidence.
 
"Why is it OK for the rest of the luxury car manufacturers to make their badge famous and recognizable by building great cars, but not Hyundai? "
 
Hyundai is a luxury car manufacturer?
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Re: [fintail] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 14, 2009 8:23 am)

Another automaker that changed their badge in the recent past was Oldsmobile. We all know what that change did for them.
 
It's not the badge... it's the cars. A new badge won't help one bit if people don't want to buy your cars. Toyota already had a well-established reputation for quality cars and strong sales when they changed their badge. Do you think when Toyota came out with the new badge, buyers suddenly thought, "Oooh, I like that new badge much better than the old Toyota emblem! I wasn't considering Toyota before but now with that new badge, I am going to have to check them out." Yeah, right.
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Re: [backy] by fintail
Jan 14, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:27 am)

Olds had a foot in the grave even then...
 
Old memories can hurt attempts at improving an image even when the cars are a thousand times better than a mere 20 years ago. Why would Toyota change its badge if not trying to improve image? It's a subtle, perhaps even subconscious ideal.
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Re: [backy] by ateixeira
Jan 14, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jan 14, 2009 8:27 am)

Toyota already had a well-established reputation for quality cars and strong sales when they changed their badge
 
That pretty much describes most Hyundais nowadays.
 
The Sonata was Consumer Reports most reliable car in their survey recently, #1, ahead of all Lexus models.
 
The extended warranty strategy worked to improve their image. People do not even remember the Excel, even if you do.
 
They still have weaker cars in the lower price segments but again, you gotta start somewhere, why not at the top?
 
Sales have been growing, too.
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Re: [fintail] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 14, 2009 8:58 am)

Maybe Toyota created the oval badge because it didn't have a badge before--just "TOYOTA" on the back of its cars. So they thought, "Hmmm, Lexus has a badge so maybe we should give Toyota a badge too, somewhat similar in design but different, to be consistent and connect our two different units."
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Re: [ateixeira] by backy
Jan 14, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 14, 2009 9:11 am)

I remember the Excel because I was driving during those days, but I don't let those memories of those cars from a generation ago convince me that Hyundai's cars are horse manure now. I have over eight years of Hyundai ownership experience and lots more driving experience of Hyundais, plus other info like the CR stats you mentioned, to give me a more accurate picture of where Hyundai is TODAY.

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