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Automotive News & Views Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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I currently own a LX 470 and a LS 430 and they are both CPO purchased from a Lexus dealer. I bought these particular vehicles because, to me, they are extremely good cars and a very good value. By nature I am CHEAP and like bargains. I do like the dealership very much, not because of the luxury trappings but because last year, on my previous LX, they repainted the entire vehicle because of some very minor paint discolorations. The total cost (I saw the invoice) was over $7500. and they kept it for over 3 weeks to do it properly. It looked brand new. For the 3 weeks I drove a new GS 300. No charge for the paint job...and the LX had been out of warranty for over 2 years. I like the Genesis and I would not be surprised if I own one some day. The Genesis is a tremendous bargain. No matter how good the dealer is it is still all about the car to me. |
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What Luxury car do you pay less then 35k new...none. How can Hyundai's ever be considered Luxury cars? You can buy a brand-new Hyundai for under 15,000. The "Genesis" is not a luxury vehicle, it never will be. Genesis fanatics only like the vehicle because of the price tag, and misleading warranty... Hyundai are trash. I personally think VW would change to a Luxury name before Hyundai. (which will never happen either)
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'Hyundai are trash.' Interesting comment. We here in the Edmunds forums accept your opinion, despite the fact that opinions sometimes brutalize the language or are void of any objective data. Kindly inform Nissan, Acura, BMW, Volvo, Mazda, Saab, and many other very respected nameplates, Hyundai's trash regularly beat their scores in the most recent quality surveys from JD Power, Consumer Reports, Auto Pacific, etc. I own a Genesis, having previously owned an Infiniti and also an Acura, and I will gladly provide (objective) extensive performance data which displays the Hyundai as superior in many categories over the vehicles I owned. A Hyundai luxury vehicle is as hard to accept as the inevitable demise of the Big 3 , the collapse of the US economy and the US Dollar. And yet all of them are a reality.
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Replying to: prosource1 (Nov 28, 2008 7:25 pm) 
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Replying to: mdutch (Nov 26, 2008 10:03 am) And as an aside, the next Tuscon will go four cyclinder only, and in the process, it will get a new 2.0L I4, this engine is in the same family as the 2.4L I4 mentioned above. You may have sensed a trend here - further improvements in fuel efficiency. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 11:13 pm) Based on that, then I'd guess the majority driving a luxury car aren't considered to be in the group - given leases have dominated in luxury vehicle sales. |
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Replying to: dm1212 (Nov 28, 2008 7:00 pm) I can give you a number of them but you are probably going to tell me they are not luxury cars. By the way, everyone of them I had in mind are from the typical "luxury/premium" brands (i.e. BMW, Lexus) How can Hyundai's ever be considered Luxury cars? You can buy a brand-new Hyundai for under 15,000. The "Genesis" is not a luxury vehicle, it never will be. Genesis fanatics only like the vehicle because of the price tag, and misleading warranty... Just because you can buy a Hyundai for 15K, so what? Actually, it's $9,970, the Accent just grabbed the cheapest MSRP from the Versa for the US market. Anyway, is there a magic line that defines one way or the other? Along the same idiotic lines, can you not consider the GT-R a supercar because Nissan sells a brand new Versa for under 10K? or BMW has its 1er priced under 30K? Saying people like the Genesis simply because of the price tag, and misleading warranty just show how ignorant you are, and the fact you haven't driven one... Hyundai are trash. I personally think VW would change to a Luxury name before Hyundai. (which will never happen either) I won't go into the "Hyundai are trash" since I see other have already touched upon the subject. But, in the case of VW, and fyi, they have a luxury brand already, and it's called Audi. Oh by the way, VW tried its hand on luxury vehicles for the US market, and the automaker failed miserably. |
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I probably wouldn't have caught this if I had not read them on the same day, but let me highlight it. carolinabob wrote: However, it appears many will not admit to problems or just don't understand how a luxury car is supposed to perform - in all categories dm1212 wrote: How can Hyundai's ever be considered Luxury cars? And he goes on to talk about how low pricing on other models disqualifies them. Bob simply had unrealistic expectations. His Azera starts out around $24k list, and even the Limited is just $27k for starters. Clearly that is not luxury territory, yet he clearly has the expectations of a luxury customer. Fact is, even the Limited model (at full MSRP, and who pays that?) is priced below the NADA average price for a new car. That's not luxury, not near-luxury, not even close! It's a below average-car price, and for that the expectations should be, at most, average. Then dm1212 says Hyundai is not even close, well, which is it, guys? Why don't you argue with each other, come up with a verdict, and get back to us.  Fact is, Azera is aspirational, but that's not the same as luxury. The Genesis is a lot closer to the luxury standard, but pricing still puts it firmly in the near-luxury class, even for the V8. I'm not sure what cut off point people use for "luxury", but I'd propose somewhere in the neighborhood of $36-40,000 or so, at least, and by the way that is for a COMPACT. Anything close is near-luxury, maybe 30-36 or so. Below that is mainstream, plain and simple. Bob had completely unrealistic expectations for his Azera. It's priced like a loaded 4 cylinder Accord or Altima, not like a BMW.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 02, 2008 12:21 pm) Welcome to this forum, by the way. I've read your posts on other forums, and you're a welcome addition here. (But next time, bring Varmint with you!) 
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Replying to: tonycd (Dec 02, 2008 5:27 pm)
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