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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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#1522 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by steve_ HOST Nov 26, 2008 (10:37 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 10:04 am) Maybe we can set aside the product for a minute and talk some more about what the total experience is. After all, I can go to Costco and buy a Mont Blanc pen but that's not a shop in a Ritz Carlton. (Hey, it was a luxo item 25 years ago).   Is it a fancy showroom with classical music. Concierge service? Free maintenance for four years? Leather lounge chairs in the service waiting room? Loaners or free car pickup and delivery? A hand wash with every service? Replies to this message: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 12:00 pm) steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 12:06 pm) backy (Nov 26, 2008 12:36 pm) bashogrebash (Nov 26, 2008 12:56 pm) louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 11:18 pm) fintail (Nov 26, 2008 2:16 pm) bobad (Nov 28, 2008 6:14 am)
#1523 of 4160 Re: 2010 Santa Fe Model Changes?? [mdutch] by backy Nov 26, 2008 (10:44 am)
Replying to: mdutch (Nov 26, 2008 10:03 am) I wonder if we can get any hint as to what is in store for the 2010 Santa Fe from the Sonata refresh for 2009. If so, then we can expect tweaks to the front and rear styling (but not to the overall exterior design, as that is pricey), a revamped dash/interior, and tweaks to the engines. Maybe Hyundai will retire the old 2.7L V6 and put the revised-for-2009 3.3L motor with 249 horses in as standard and offer the 3.8L from the Azera as an option?
#1524 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [steve_] by louiswei Nov 26, 2008 (12:00 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 10:37 am) If you think sipping Monte Blanc at your front porch is the same as sipping Monte Blanc at a Ritz Carlton penthouse with an ocean view then well, you don't have to read any further...   See my point? It's not the product I am trying to point out here, it's the experience.   What's the "experience" then you asked...   It's everything you mentioned: giant showroom inside a stand-alone maintenance facility, loaner car for any kind of service as long as one requests it, free espresso (the good kind) and snacks, leather sofa, free wash with every service PLUS:   - Reserved parking lot at sporting venus: Philly's Wachovia Center , Atlanta's Turner Field and Miami's Office Depot Center   - Receiving benefits when visiting the top resorts and hotels: Lexus Partnership Benefits   - Exclusive clubs and associations: MB Community   - Getting pampered at and treated like royalty at the maintenance facilities   So what's the "experience"? It's almost a lifestyle in a certain extend. Now the question is: Will I get those with buying a Hyundai Genesis? Replies to this message: steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 12:06 pm) backy (Nov 26, 2008 12:36 pm) bashogrebash (Nov 26, 2008 12:56 pm) louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 11:18 pm) fintail (Nov 26, 2008 2:16 pm) bobad (Nov 28, 2008 6:14 am)
#1525 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by steve_ HOST Nov 26, 2008 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 12:00 pm) Heh, I was referring to my old Mont Blanc fountain pen which has long been overshadowed in the luxo field by other brands. Oops, guess it's a Montblanc. It's been idling so long in a drawer around here I forgot how they spell it.   And it still doesn't work as well as a $1.59 Bic Gel. A Visconti probably doesn't either.   The only time I stayed at a Ritz Carlton, I had a nice view of the Pentagon City shopping complex.   Thanks for the expansion on the partner benefits.
#1526 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by backy Nov 26, 2008 (12:36 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 12:00 pm) Another question is: what are those perks worth to you, and others contemplating buying a luxury car? If they are "priceless", as in the Master Card commercials, then you'll buy a Lexus no matter how good the Genesis is and no matter how much it costs. But what if a dollar value could be attached to them? For example, the dollar value to me of reserved parking in Philly, Atlanta, and Miami is $0. The value of benes when visiting top resorts and hotels is very nearly $0. Exclusive clubs and associations? Again pretty close to $0. Getting treated like "royalty" when I bring my car in for service and having free espresso and leather sofas available at service centers is not important to me, as long as I receive professional, competent service--which I do get from my Hyundai dealer.   How much are they worth to you? $5000? $10,000? More?
#1527 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by bashogrebash Nov 26, 2008 (12:54 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 10:04 am) Louis,   How are you so sure what a luxury buyer is? I own a Lexus and I'm purchasing a Genesis. I can certainly tell you that I have gotten miserable treatment at Lexus, BMW et al.... It has nothing to do with the make... You wouldn't believe the garbage I had to put up with when I leased the Lexus... Does the local Hyundai dealer subject me to the same dealer antics? SURE! but I'm paying thousands less... What do you have to say to that? I'm a "luxury" buyer and I consider the Genesis a luxury car.... Replies to this message: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 11:13 pm) keitha3 (Nov 27, 2008 12:16 am) steve_ (Nov 27, 2008 7:33 am) and 4 more... louiswei (Nov 27, 2008 11:02 am) bashogrebash (Nov 27, 2008 10:23 pm) joe97 (Nov 30, 2008 5:43 pm)
#1528 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by bashogrebash Nov 26, 2008 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 12:00 pm) Certainly an educated classy luxury buyer as yourself would know that a Montblanc is a pen and not a beverage... Replies to this message: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 11:18 pm)
#1529 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by fintail Nov 26, 2008 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 12:00 pm) I like that MB link...it has images of fintails for the M100 group...fintails aren't M100 cars
#1530 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [bashogrebash] by louiswei Nov 26, 2008 (11:13 pm)
Replying to: bashogrebash (Nov 26, 2008 12:54 pm) I'm a "luxury" buyer and I consider the Genesis a luxury car....   Sir, if I read your post right you LEASED a luxury car.   Sorry, you are not a true luxury buyer. I don't consider those who lease a 3-series like for $299/month true luxury buyers. Replies to this message: keitha3 (Nov 27, 2008 12:16 am) steve_ (Nov 27, 2008 7:33 am) louiswei (Nov 27, 2008 11:07 am) and 3 more... louiswei (Nov 27, 2008 11:02 am) bashogrebash (Nov 27, 2008 10:23 pm) joe97 (Nov 30, 2008 5:43 pm)
#1531 of 4160 Re: Unless, of course... [bashogrebash] by louiswei Nov 26, 2008 (11:18 pm)
Replying to: bashogrebash (Nov 26, 2008 12:56 pm) Certainly an educated classy luxury buyer as yourself would know that a Montblanc is a pen and not a beverage...   First of all, I said Mont Blanc, not Montblanc. On that note:   http://www.everywine.co.uk/every-wine/online/mont-blanc-wine   So uh... you were saying?

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