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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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Re: Unless, of course... [cobrazera] by steve_ HOST
Nov 26, 2008 (8:18 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 26, 2008 3:38 am)

I'm tire kicking and a dealer touted free car washes to me the other day. I pointed to my Subaru that's has its protective coat of winter gray on the lower body panels and said that's why I'm looking mostly at silver cars. They don't show the dirt. I'm paying for that kind of stuff whether I use it or not.
 
He also touted the car's reliability to me and I bit my tongue about seeing that the service department waiting room was full.
 
Loaners are nice, and with them, you don't need lattes or loaners or net access.
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Re: Unless, of course... [steve_] by backy
Nov 26, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 8:18 am)

Unless a dealer has a hand wash or all-cloth wash, I ask them to skip it as they can do more harm than good with the "scouring brushes". But it does come in handy and saves a few bucks, especially in winter when it's too cold to wash the car in my driveway and I want to keep the salt off the car. A reason to buy a car there? No.
 
Loaners are nice if a car has to be kept overnight--which has been so rare for me over the past 10 years or so that it's again not a reason to buy or not buy a car from a particular dealer. But I like the idea they are available if I need them. More important to me is a dealer who will cheerfully give me a lift home or to the office if I request it. And the net access is nice for those 30 minute oil change appointments (the most frequent kind of service), since I can be productive while I wait (unless I decide to chew the fat with a sales rep about their new models...).
 
I am sure that all the people waiting for their trusty Subarus were there for scheduled maintenance.
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Re: Unless, of course... [backy] by steve_ HOST
Nov 26, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 26, 2008 8:37 am)

Actually it was a Honda dealer. And I bit my tongue about exploding AC compressors too, lol.
 
I do my own oil changes, but yeah, net access for the quick stuff would be nice. Rides to the office are ok, but you have to get back to the dealer and sometimes that's a pain.
 
If you pay a premium for a Genesis, how hard is it to give the owner an Accent for the day while the 15k service is being done?
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Re: Unless, of course... [cobrazera] by louiswei
Nov 26, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 26, 2008 3:38 am)

Why place so much emphasis on the " dealership experience " anyway.
 
Like I said, you don't understand why people buy luxury brands like BMW, MB and Lexus (not like there is anything wrong with that). People buying those cars because they want the totally luxury ownership experience, not just cars with luxury equipments. How many times do I have to express that...
 
I know some people will say that I don't give a darn because I just want a nice car with all the luxurious goodies like gadgets and leather seats. Well, if that's the case then good for you because you'll have more choices than the true luxury buyers. However since the title of this thread is, and I'll point out again:
 
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
 
I felt it's important to let people know what does luxury market mean to the traditional luxury buyers, ie the MB, BMW and Lexus owners.
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Re: Unless, of course... [steve_] by backy
Nov 26, 2008 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 26, 2008 8:45 am)

Maybe the dealer figures someone who drives a luxury car would be put off by offering them "only" an Accent. Anyway, for a 15k service (1 hour max) I'd rather wait at the dealer, and use their free wireless Internet, drink their beverages, watch their TV, or check out the new models. For a 30k or 60k service, I like the lift home (can arrange to get a ride back from someone in the family.
 
The Hyundai dealer I bought 2 cars from used to have round-trip shuttle service, which was nice because they would take me downtown to my office and pick me up again in the afternoon. I'd save parking fees. Then they dropped that service, and also their competence declined, so I said good-bye in favor of a dealership closer to home.
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Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by bobad
Nov 26, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 24, 2008 12:38 pm)

Sorry, but apparently you don't know what's in a true luxury buyer's mind. In a "true" luxury buyer I don't mean one who wants just the leather seats and all the gadgets. A true luxury buyer wants to be pampered, they want to be treated like royalty and it's the detail that counts.
 
Then please tell me what market the Genesis is in?
 
And just because YOU want to spend lots of money to be pampered like a spoiled child doesn't mean everyone does. I rather pocket the money and skip whatever it is Lexus does to or for you.
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2010 Santa Fe Model Changes?? by mdutch
Nov 26, 2008 (10:03 am)
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According to Edmund's website (in the future models section), the Santa Fe is due for a "refresh" for 2010. I am thinking of buying a '09 in the spring, but I wonder if anyone has any info on this refresh (ie. specific changes) and/or if I should wait till the fall and get a new 2010? I'd hate to buy an '09 then a few months later see some further improvements on styling, etc on the '10. Thanks for your replies!
 
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Re: Unless, of course... [bobad] by louiswei
Nov 26, 2008 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: bobad (Nov 26, 2008 9:39 am)

Then please tell me what market the Genesis is in?
 
Large sedan market like the Buick Lucerne, Pontiac G8, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Chrysler 300C and even Hyundai's own Azera. Oh and by the way don't give me that FWD vs. RWD lecture because simply the general buying public don't really care about it. This a Hyundai, a large car and more luxurious than its competitors, that's all. Can the Genesis hang with its luxury competitors like the 5er, E and GS purely based on the car itself? I would think so (I test drove one before). However, would it be a player in the luxury market? Not a chance if it carries the Hyundai badge.
 
I rather pocket the money and skip whatever it is Lexus does to or for you.
 
Please refer to my previous post:
 
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YOU, sir, does not represent the luxury buyers and you know what, there are A LOT of them out there besides me who want the total luxury ownership experience. Those people, sir, have different priorities when it comes to buying a luxury car and they, sir, ARE THE CORE LUXURY MARKET.
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Re: Unless, of course... [louiswei] by steve_ HOST
Nov 26, 2008 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 26, 2008 10:04 am)

Maybe we can set aside the product for a minute and talk some more about what the total experience is. After all, I can go to Costco and buy a Mont Blanc pen but that's not a shop in a Ritz Carlton. (Hey, it was a luxo item 25 years ago).
 
Is it a fancy showroom with classical music. Concierge service? Free maintenance for four years? Leather lounge chairs in the service waiting room? Loaners or free car pickup and delivery? A hand wash with every service?
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Re: 2010 Santa Fe Model Changes?? [mdutch] by backy
Nov 26, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: mdutch (Nov 26, 2008 10:03 am)

I wonder if we can get any hint as to what is in store for the 2010 Santa Fe from the Sonata refresh for 2009. If so, then we can expect tweaks to the front and rear styling (but not to the overall exterior design, as that is pricey), a revamped dash/interior, and tweaks to the engines. Maybe Hyundai will retire the old 2.7L V6 and put the revised-for-2009 3.3L motor with 249 horses in as standard and offer the 3.8L from the Azera as an option?

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