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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?

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NO! by carolinabob
Oct 09, 2008 (10:42 am)
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  After defending Hyundai for months, I am about to give up. My new L640 shocks on my 07 Azera are already beginning to deteriorate after 250 miles. This is the third set of shocks on a car with 11,000 miles.
   Hyundai sells their cars cheaper and offer a lot of bells and whistles that others don't or else charge exhorbitently for. Perhaps the low cost is the problem, they are cutting corners somewhere and I think it is the suspension and quality control.
    You can read my Genesis impressions under Genesis Test Drives site. You can also read Automobile Magazine and Car and Driver's road tests of the Genesis re: poor suspensions. This is not acceptable on a car that wants to be considered a luxury car.
    BTW, both the media and Hyundai referred to the Azera as a luxury car when it was introduced in 2006.
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Re: NO! [carolinabob] by lemko
Oct 10, 2008 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 09, 2008 10:42 am)

Sheesh! I never had shocks wear out on a car that early! The car is usually quite old and miled-up by the time I need to replace shocks. I imagine a good aftermarket shock absorber would be better than Hyundai's OEM.
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Re: NO! [carolinabob] by hjc1
Oct 10, 2008 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 09, 2008 10:42 am)

I just completed around trip from WI. to NJ. driving on some of the worst road I've ever driven. Potholes, large cracks, etc. (PA. turbpike sucks) and my 07 Azera did well on these roads. My car now has almost 28,000 miles on it and drives as well if not better then any cars I have owned. As far as I'm concerned this car is a keeper. .... build date is Nov. 06
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NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles by steve59
Oct 11, 2008 (3:43 am)
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I am taking issue with carolinabob's post re: shocks starting to deteriorate after only 250 miles.
Just plain impossible! Maybe you THINK they're going out so soon, but in reality, it just is not happening.
PS My office hours are 9 to 5. My hourly rate is $200.00. When would you like to start your therapy?
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Re: NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles [steve59] by ateixeira
Oct 11, 2008 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: steve59 (Oct 11, 2008 3:43 am)

It may just be very soft dampening that he doesn't like. Hyundais tend to lean towards soft ride over handling.
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Re: NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles [steve59] by carolinabob
Oct 11, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: steve59 (Oct 11, 2008 3:43 am)

Might want to do some self-treatment first - and some research. Also, it is not soft ride; it is severe roll/wallow/bounce.
    The intial ride due to brand new L640 shocks was improved, just as with the new L040's. However, the improvements did not last. See posts on this and other websites re: front end problems for many concuring with me.
   The roll/wallow soon returned as it is more than just the shocks. The suspension is poorly designed, as confirmed by professional reviewers and many owners. Hyundai has replaced shocks on 2006, 2007 and some 2008 models in hopes it would eliminate the problems, but it did not. So, Hyundai even admits it is a problem or they would not be replacing shocks three times on cars with less than 15,000 miles.
    Regardless, the issue on the Azera and the Genesis is poor suspension design or parts quality or both. See October 2008 Automobile Magazine and Car & Driver re: the Genesis suspension. Also, look back at Edmunds and other reviews of the 2006/2007 Azera. The roll/wallow they noted gets worse as shocks age.
    I hope they can figure it out on the Genesis as it appears to be an excellent car in concept.
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Re: NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles [steve59] by donna388
Oct 11, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: steve59 (Oct 11, 2008 3:43 am)

Take issues if you like, but Carolina Bob is correct.
 
Ours started doing the same thing at that mileage, but I waited to see if others
were experiencing the same problem before reporting it, and sure enough,
Carolina Bob is experiencing the same problem also!
At a little over 1000 miles, it is getting worse, and I expect by 5K miles, the car will feel
just a bad as it has twice before. These 640 shocks are the third set of factory shocks.
So now both of us are reporting problems with the newest 640 shocks.
 
He also has experinced similar problems with the new Genesis.
Why do you think it is impossible for shocks to be bad after only 250 miles when
brand several new Genesis have bad shocks right off the showroom floor?
He has tested three of them, so he should know. He intended on buying one,
but not if they are no better than his Azera.
He also quoted comments by magazine reporters who were saying the same things.
 
We must face the fact that Hyundai does not know how to properly engineer a
suspension system and that their quality control of shocks is seriously poor.
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Re: NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles [carolinabob] by jeffreid
Oct 11, 2008 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 11, 2008 7:14 am)

Just thought it worth mentioning that although the Azera problems listed here may be valid, the shocks and the suspension on the Genesis are completely different than those found on the Azera.
 
Matter of fact, the multilink setup on the Genesis is aluminum. The Azera has a basic steel setup. Also, these cars are built on two different chassis.
 
I just thought that if the materials and the setup were different, that it was worth noting that the Azera problems that are being reported here were not sure to be transferred to the new model.
 
Having driven the V6 and V8 Genesis and all Azera models since the vehicles introduction (2006-2009), there is a marked difference between the handling of the two, and there appears to be very little in common.
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Re: NO way shocks start to go after 250 miles [carolinabob] by steve59
Oct 11, 2008 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Oct 11, 2008 7:14 am)

I totally agree that at 15,000 miles you could very well feel a degredation of ride. But, not at 250 miles.
I realize the Santa Fe is a different vehicle, but I have 12,500 miles- and last week, they gave new a new 2008 SF loaner, and I couldn't tell any difference in ride quality.
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by bobad
Oct 12, 2008 (7:56 am)
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I ride in my wife's 06 Sonata about once every 2 months or so, and can't feel any difference in shocks from 0 miles to 35K miles. Now I do feel a difference in the tires as they wear. I think a new set at 45K will make it feel brand new again, not that worn tires make it ride or handle any worse.
 
Yes, do the Azera research and you will find a lot of complaints. Thing is, 90% of them are are by the 1 and only Caralinabob spouting off the same thing on forum after forum.

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